Sonus 2605 vs Wharfedales

Hi Nimalan,

Remember u saying u like ur music laidback.And u have already decided on a "laidback" AVR I think the wharfies will be the way to go for u.
By the way from where u r getting ur Marantz and at what price?
Cheers,
Shri

Go for the Wharfies

thanks Krish and sri,

Sri have PMed u the details u wanted...

ANy of u seen the diamonds 9.5?? like the 9 series is sposed to be better than the 8 series.. so dont want to get an outdated 8 series...wen the 9 is sposed to be better... the 9.1 was refined and good.. the 8.4 was more or less the same...sounded a little more delicate in the higher freq and had more bass extension than the 9.1

hmmm... and these guys here dont stock a 9.5 which i can hear!! so any one heard the 9.5s??

Shahrukh - i remember u mention u had a wharfie.. any comments on that..

thanks again!!

I liked 8.4 more than the 9.5 the last time I did a A/B.
But IMO its worth waiting for the Sonus 2605. IMO they would really shine with the Marantz AVR. They are bit more forward sounding than the 8.4 with better low end, so with a laid back amplification like Marantz they should do just right.

Nimz,

Dude, a wharfy/marantz combo will give you a beautiful warm sound. If you like the laidback bit, I'd say 8.4 anyday. The 9.5 is good but 8.4 is a mucchhh better bargain.

Don't really "remember" the 2605 sound.

Hi Nimz,
I used to have the diamond 8.4’s before the APs. Used them for almost two years with a couple of amps. The wharfedales in general are low sensitivity so need an amp with good power reserves. They are good as “entry level audiophile” speakers. At this price point, they are a wise choice if you want popular brands. I had considered the sonodynes when I was in the market long back. The sonodynes had recessed mid-range and slightly shrill highs compared to the 8.4’s. More of a party speaker than a refined one. The bass was loose and fat. The 8.4 in comparison had drier bass with better definition although a bit boomy due to the flimsy cabinet. But the dry and cleaner bass of the 8.4 was better than the loose, bloated bass of the sonodyne for me. All speakers in this price range come with a number of “built-in” compromises and problems. If you want clean sound at this price range, you need to pick up bookshelf speakers for the same budget.
The only speaker I liked in the 9 series is the 9.1 bookshelf. Rest are all the same old wine in new bottles. If you can get a good deal on an older 8.4, go for it. Don’t worry about models or versions here. They are mostly marketing gimmicks. Most of the time, even with high-end speakers, the older line may be better…

One more thing, see if you can get the diamond 8.3. They are hard to find. But the boom a lot less than the 8.4 and get more bass extension than the 8.2 bookshelf speaker which makes it a better option for the audiophile on a tight budget.

Hey Buddy Square_wave,
Which Sonodyne model did you check out before you had the 8.4 ? I mean the kind of description you have given about the speaker should be associated with a model number and NOT the entire brand IMO. Also the electronics in the chain is very important to be mentioned so that its clearly evident about who was the culprit etc etc...

It was the flagship floorstander from Sonodyne 2 years back. It could be the model before the Sonus 2605. But I have heard the Sonus 2605 at a friend’s place driven by NAD pre – power and a pioneer universal player as source. My impressions remain the same. They have retained their “house-sound”. There is nothing wrong with it if you like that sound.

All speakers in this price range come with a number of “built-in” compromises and problems. If you want clean sound at this price range, you need to pick up bookshelf speakers for the same budget.

Generally all speakers are built with compromises so depends what compromises you can live with. Book shelves are no alternatives for Floor speakers as they can't go too low and handicapped by two way design. Wharfs at the low end are horribly built and should actually be sold off at 50% discount...

Does anyone know if Mission is available in Chennai. At the price range indicated, I would prefer their entry-level flrs over Wharfs and Sonodyne (M74i was superb). I have heard both the 2605 and the Diamond 8.3

They are both good speakers and you won't regret them. Because I haven't done an A-B comparison, I won't comment on their relative sound.

If you want bookshelves, consider Pulz (if available). They have good sound for the price. Say, even bookshelves can produce good bass I was chilling out with Brian Eno on Sunday and the room was vibrating

hey thanks guys for all ur inputs...

Prob with sonodyne in chennai... the shop is permanently under renovation so I just cant get a listen...

I liked the bass of the 8.4 over the 9.1.. i found the 9.1 richer..and teh 8.4 I would call it "musically delicate" which I like.. And i heard it in a listening room whcih resembled my house... not the AC claustrophobic ones

Well this is my first step into this hifi world.. so dont wanna spend too much and regret later.. would prefer to enjoy, appreciate and then upgrade!!!

I kinda preferred the 8.4 to the 8.3!! Am gonna drive them with a marantz so i guess that shud be fine in terms of power!!

The Missions are available in Chennai - they are being sold at the Torvin outlet in richie street. Dunno if they have any grt variety!! those guys were more keen on showing how the torvins bass was better than an imported spkr like the Mission!!!!

Keep Rocking

Nimz

Hi Nimz,

YOu do have an option of the 9.1 bookshelves along with the matched sub as well.. do audition that along with the floorstanders

Just Make sure that the
-gain is turned down real low such nthat the sub is just heard
- set the receiver such that only freq below around 50 goes to the sub. (If not variable, set it at the min crossover possible to route most of the signal into the speaker)

try to make out the difference based on this..

IMHO in the entry level models, bookshelves give more value for money than FSs and also have a better midrange, something which is critical for music.

If you want to use it for HT, it also makes sense to add a center speaker (eg the wharfedale WH2s). it will make your movies more enjoyable and the vocals much more clearer..

Of course i am not sure of your budgetary constraints..so have not factored that in..

Yes……..a champion budget bookshelf speaker like the 9.1 and a sub will be better any day over the 8.4’s. Cleaner mids and highs and tighter bass. But I guess that will take his budget over 30k. I have not heard the torvin speakers but I won’t be surprised if they have cleaner and tighter bass than budget floorstanders from any imported brand. Beating a budget floorstander in any department is not a big deal. Local brands and well made kits all over the world do this. But they have trouble selling due to marketing gimmicks and so called “brand value” of international brands. International brands start sounding good only from their “mid level” models. It is the fllorstanders that suffer the most. The trouble is usually with the cabinets. They have to give you a huge cabinet, multiple drivers, and still keep the weight down to control shipping costs. They are forced to cut corners all over the place to make a decent margin. So it is wise to stay with bookshelf speakers if your budget is low. I learnt this the hard way.

HI Arj, Square_wave,

I did consider the 9.1 (13K) and a sub - wharf (15K + I guess)/sonodyne sub (8K approx). But then i was kinda partial to floors and then I would need to set the crossover/gain and I also wouldnt have the opp to test a 9.1 with a sonodyne sub..

hence was looking at the 8.4 /9.5 and the 2605...

I liked the mid range of the 8.4 and their sound staging and their controlled bass!!

I would go in for a center shortly as I do watch movies too now and then.. and then surrounds... wishful thinking

BUt sq_wave wot do u mean wen u said "u learnt it the hard way"!!!

well in the end it depends on what you are looking for .. so as long as you get what you want it is always a good thing.

to me the "hard learning" was that what I want when i beggan and what i want now has changed a lot and that is what is the " Lurking danger"

i wanted rockin speakers with a tight bass and i loved them (Still wish I had them) but i really missed was the crucial midrange as my tastes in music really changed over the ears, and to me thats is learning the hard way.

what you may think of as ticht bass today, may be boomy tomorrow hence the importance to also compare sound to a "reference" rather than just your ear .

And to understand what a reference sound is you need to have lots of auditions/sessions in lots of other systems

so this is not as easy as it looks.

rather than fixing yourself on Floorstanding Vs Bookshelf , base it on your sound requirement. listen to the same music on both systems and compare them on various aspects and then decide..

Hope i have not added to any confusion since choosing speakers can be very maddenning and the more time you spend on them the more confusing it becomes

Arj actually summed it up pretty much.
If are a budding audiophile rather than a casual audio enthusiast, you will grow out of budget floorstanders pretty fast. That is what happened to me. The deficiencies will start staring at you hard after a year or so and you will start your hunt for another speaker. But don’t bother too much with all these if you are one of those blessed souls who are not too obsessed with sound-staging, natural and balanced tonality, natural extension of the frequency range etc….
If you belong to the first category, then a bk shlf in the same price category will give far better mid range and highs. The bass although a bit restrained will be tighter and more musical and correct. In comparison a floor-stander in the same price category will have lower quality badly integrated/multiple drivers in a boomy cabinet which will give you lower quality mids, less natural extension in the highs and slightly boomy bass. This is okay if you belong to the second category. Now you decide.

[quote="square_wave"]If are a budding audiophile rather than a casual audio enthusiast, you will grow out of budget floorstanders pretty fast. The deficiencies will start staring at you hard after a year or so and you will start your hunt for another speaker. [/quote]


First of all its VERY VERY difficult thing to judge whether you are a budding audiophile or a casual audio enthusiast...
seriously, how are you going to make it out until and unless you spend some significant amount of time with hifi ?
Basically there is a thin line between the two to be very practical. So selecting a speaker on the basis of whether you are a budding audiophile or a casual audio enthusiast would be very confusing and can be mis-leading also.
It should be rather decided on the fact that which speaker made you swing to your tunes more often while long duration of auditions. Yes, one thing is that, its very important to repeatedly audition the speakers before buying so as to make sure that your selection makes you ROCK everytime you switch it on.




[quote="square_wave"] But don’t bother too much with all these if you are one of those blessed souls who are not too obsessed with sound-staging, natural and balanced tonality, natural extension of the frequency range etc….
If you belong to the first category, then a bk shlf in the same price category will give far better mid range and highs. The bass although a bit restrained will be tighter and more musical and correct. In comparison a floor-stander in the same price category will have lower quality badly integrated/multiple drivers in a boomy cabinet which will give you lower quality mids, less natural extension in the highs and slightly boomy bass. This is okay if you belong to the second category. Now you decide.[/quote]



Again how do you know what soul you are until you have experienced good systems for a good amount of time ?
It all boils down to the fact that if you are able to hear all those sound-staging, imaging, natural extension of freq etc and feel the difference then you would be definitely obssessed by them else you wont. So for a guy who is just entering this sector, it would be wrong to ask him to first choose a category and then DECIDE. I understand that you want him to go for a good speaker, but the kind of reasoning you have given to select a speaker will only pressurize him to go for a bookshelf speaker just to prove that he is an AUDIOPHILE.. and can hear things. Even though he likes the big sound of a floorstander (which he has repeatedly expressed) he would be so uncomfortable buying them.

See the fact that he has not gone for a Sony/Panasonic stuff says that he loves and wants hi-end music....Anything beyond that becomes very subjective. The defination of bass you are looking for may not be the same as Arj looks for or Nimz looks for !!! Arj is better off with a sub for bass while you may have purist point of view to avoid sub in a stereo.
Both are right and both are Audiophiles. So is nimz, for he loves the big sound from the floors rather than tiny sound from the 9.1. Whether 9.1 is more accurate than 8.4 is again subjective to the listener and his tastes of music.

Sorry Abhi, I do not agree with you. All casual audio enthusiasts I know have absolutely no interest in the finer aspects of audio. They just do not care even if they can hear them because it is not important for them. It doesn’t matter if they have listened two years or twenty years. They are not going to change. Their priorities are different. Any smart guy who has done enough research can figure out where he fits in.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Whether 9.1 is more accurate than 8.4 is again subjective to the listener and his tastes of music.

While Musicality and tastes in music are quite subjective.. accuracy is definitely not

but I would definitely not want to get into the rest of the discussion as those are "philosophical" discussions with only points of view and hence we would actually never reach a conclusion other than "every ear is different" !!!

My suggestion is basically to make him think twice before taking the plunge. A friend of mine who used to hang out here is happily listening to dynaudio audience 42 bookshelf speakers now. She thanks me for steering her away from sonodynes and Jbl floorstanders which she was considering. I have other friends who have gone ahead and bought the biggest and loudest speakers available for the money. They are also happy.
As Arj said, accuracy is not a subjective thing, but choice can be very personal because each ear is different and needs are different too.

While Musicality and tastes in music are quite subjective.. accuracy is definitely not

As Arj said, accuracy is not a subjective thing

But the level of accuracy depends from person to person....and too much of acuracy is also boring..right??wanna debate???. if you ask me you are all trying to tire nimz by wasting space on the forum putting your personal prefernces front and trying to put down others by catergorising... Dear nimz ultimately to shit with all parameters and buy what sounds good to your ears after some research of course and do enjoy music (see Arj's signature)...remember nobody is happy I have seen some self acclaimed smart asses falling into big traps here and yet trying to cover up and save their faces..so not to worry too much. If you like a FLRS or Bookshef go in for it..no second thoughts..yes both have compromises..heck even you spend a million you'll have some downsides and again another smart ass not worth a penny comes home and comments on your set-up, so not to worry too much and trying act like a purist ( nobody's out here but many some pretend )...

Cheers mate

Buddy Square_wave,
How many of your audio enthusiast friends have gone ahead and listened to anything else other than Sony/Philips stuffs ?
How many cared to even research if there is something available other than those Sony kind of stuffs ?
See they are not the ones we are talking about and I am very sure none of them would even spend 20 mins on this forum.
So anyone who is on this forum and discussing products like Wharfdale and KEF (which one to buy) shouldnt be considered in that league by any chance....IMO .
But among us also there are people who listen very critically and there are others who just listen and enjoy. I dont mean Critical listeners dont enjoy... . But they analyse much more than others, may be that gives them pleasure.

So by audio enthusiast I just meant the second category of people who just listen to music and SWING to the beat.

Now if you give an example such as Dynaudio Vs Sonodyne/JBL then the discussion makes no meaning. Audience 42 being a bookshelf speaker are so good in the lower octave that it can beat quite a few floorstanders hands-on. But here it is 9.1 which is no where near the Audience 42 whereas 8.4 beats many JBL and Sonodynes in its way !!!
As I said, I understand that you want to guide him but IMO the reasoning was NOT presented rightly. It may mis-lead a guy to go against his choice of speakers, which can later put him in a state of sorry...

Arj,
As far as my points being philosophical, its straight out of my heart totally UNADULTRATED
When we are guiding a fellow member we should also keep in mind about his tastes, his likes and dislikes (which I felt we were overlooking/over-ruling). If there was a straight-forward rule in audio then this thread would not have been there.

abhi.pani schrieb:

If there was a straight-forward rule in audio then this thread would not have been there.

Couldnt agree with you more..thats is the very reason this forum, and this thread exists

Not really sub boss. He will ultimately pick what he likes……… I agree nothing is perfect. But there are varying degrees of perfection.

Sq wave wrote :

He will ultimately pick what he likes

I wrote :

buy what sounds good to your ears after some research of course and do enjoy music

..


Sq wave wrote :

I agree nothing is perfect

I wrote :

..heck even you spend a million you'll have some downsides

Sq wave wrote :

But there are varying degrees of perfection

I wrote :

But the level of accuracy depends from person to person

All said right but why is this

Not really sub boss

Cheers.....

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

While Musicality and tastes in music are quite subjective.. accuracy is definitely not As Arj said, accuracy is not a subjective thing But the level of accuracy depends from person to person

well theoretically there is only accurate and not accurate, but practically I doubt if there is an accurate speaker and even if there is, I have no idea how we will ever find out.
I guess it is the holy grail in audio, but if one really wants the grail or not is actually another question

Some audiophiles just want to set up an accurate system and spend all there effort in that.

some want to enjoy music and spend their time in that.

for those who have read Angels and demons (Dan brown) would be able to relate to the analogy of the Spiritualist Vs the scientist

which is right and which is wrong depends entirely on what you want to achieve..

so Nimz, i guess this would have given you a taste of how subjective opinions and hence the advise.. so the ball is in your court

which is right and which is wrong depends entirely on what you want to achieve..

I wrote :

But the level of accuracy depends from person to person

Sure I can't force my level of accuracy onto another..yes I do agree that there is are only two sides whether accurate or not..but there is so much of BS in this audio world and so many faked concepts doing rounds I suggest pick up what you like the rest is all BS..

but practically I doubt if there is an accurate speaker and even if there is, I have no idea how we will ever find out.

If we can't find then why bug a newbie with it?? right??
When many spend years trying to find accuracy and fail I think we should help nimz in more practical way??

well sub.. i think i was agreeing with you !

but the discussion is to share thought and not "bug" someone.. i thought this was quite a knowledge sharing thread and Nimz might actually enjoy reading it !

Go for the Wharfies nimz!!

Some audiophiles just want to set up an accurate system and spend all there effort in that.

Lunatics is what I can call these guys...it looks like they want to spend time decorating their ladies with all available best of cosmetics,perfumes,clothes and jewellery etc but yet look at neighbours wife so ultimately a wasted chance by not getting a chance to bed anyone....

some want to enjoy music and spend their time in that.

these are more sensible as they can have the cake and eat it too.......

but the discussion is to share thought and not "bug" someone

My question is why share something which we all conciously know it doesn't exist or personally experienced it...It's like discussing life after death as none have us have experienced..oops doesn't apply for ghosts and evil spirits who are posting on the forum....
sorry sir we didn't mean to bug him..but he might get bugged was my point of view...To be frank I personally get bugged when these purist terms like accuracy are used..they just don't exist here but created by companies to make money...oh yes why not coin a new term...accurate according to ones taste. ...why not????

Arj schrieb:

which is right and which is wrong depends entirely on what you want to achieve..

BTW I think I have achieved what I wanted to achieve from my initial post....the philosophical one

Now Nimz can easily go ahead and buy the 8.4s without getting pressurized to show that he is also an audiophile and likes accurate speakers....

pressurized to show that he is also an audiophile and likes accurate speakers....

He might get close to accurate with Linn Akurate

Manek,
I think we need some change in posting rules here…..
Anybody who asks for recommendation for any component should be given a standard reply which is as follows. “Buy what sounds good to you” . Nothing else.
Just kidding……..


Okay Nimz I will tell you what you will get from the diamond 8.4. I have lived with it for two years.

Wharfedale diamond 8.4 is a mushy sounding speaker with badly booming cabinet, boomy but dry bass and a shrill tweeter. The boomy but dry bass gives it some definition but it is FAR from accurate. The mids are decent and the highs are better than most other speakers in this price category. This is the reason why I sold it and I know a couple of other guys also. One guy modded his speaker and has somehow managed to solve the boom to some extent and the other guy has sold his. All our observations are the same regarding this speaker. We have tried this speaker with a variety of amps also. I just wanted you to know what you are getting for his money. You can avoid these problems “if they are a problem for you” or you can buy and use them if you like them in spite of these issues.

Hi Nimz,
This forum is for educating yourself with the finer aspects of audio. Otherwise you wouldn’t be here. If you just had to listen to your ears, there is no use for forums like these. I want to share something with you which I found useful……..maybe it will be useful to you if you are serious about this.
One good way to study reference sound in India would be a trip to the local Jamo showroom. This works especially in Bangalore. Jamo has atleast 4 levels. Start with their lowest economy model floor-stander or bookshelf spk and work your way to the highest model. The D-series (D 870 and its little brother) are pretty good speakers. Make sure you play the same music at the same volume levels with the same electronics and sit at the same spot. This is very easy at most Jamo showrooms. Carefully listen to differences in the entire frequency spectrum. They are very obvious so it won’t take much effort..:-)) This should give you an idea of what it is all about. Take some good recording with you or you will miss the whole point. I suggested Jamo because they have the same electronics connected to everything and they are all placed in the same room.

Manek, I think we need some change in posting rules here….. Anybody who asks for recommendation for any component should be given a standard reply which is as follows. “Buy what sounds good to you” . Nothing else.

I strongly feel this is paramount for any buyer..buy what sounds good to him..BTW you bought AP's inspite of all hoohaa's about it here on the forum right...so you did research and listened to em'..right!!!..hmm or did you try to follow someone else here??

Otherwise you wouldn’t be here. If you just had to listen to your ears, there is no use for forums like these.

and talking about existence of forums they are here only to mutually share what we know and not trying to confuse a buyer..heck thses forums are just to post what you like and own..I have rarely come across posts which are valid and unbiased...lot of coloured opinions..

Anyways your Jamo suggestion is a good one and makes plenty sense than tiring discussions about rest of purist jargons and rest which nobody atleast has experienced,

Sq wave wrote : He will ultimately pick what he likes I wrote : buy what sounds good to your ears after some research of course and do enjoy music .. Sq wave wrote : I agree nothing is perfect I wrote : ..heck even you spend a million you'll have some downsides Sq wave wrote : But there are varying degrees of perfection I wrote : But the level of accuracy depends from person to person All said right but why is this Not really sub boss

I see no comments on this...you have reflected same thoughts as I had put down in my previous posts..but beg to know why you disagreed at the outset..????

Hi Guys

love this forum

logged in evening and was surprised to see so many posts..
made very interesting reading...

I wont claim to be a purist or an audiophile... Ive had mini hifi systems, 5 in 1 systems during my college days.. and have always felt the need for better sound... that time i never knew such equipment as the ones mentioned in the forum existed.. then research on the net led me to all these brands and this forum.

then research on specs and reviews led me on a diff route altogether.. the funda was "better specs better sound"..then i learnt i needed to listen as preferences may vary.. i have listened to quite a few of them spkrs which were available in Chennai..have visited all audio outlets atleast twice by now.. my roomies think am crazy as the house is littered with brochures and printouts!!

again if i just buy wot i can hear.. then there is no need for these forums right?..No wrong..i feel they guide us in wot we need to look for and most times those things make our "enjoyment" of the music better..to slightly modify the old adage"the ear does not hear wot the mind does not know" this forum does a grt job at that... thanks to all u grt guys!!

of all the spkrs i have listened.. the ones which i liked and fit into my budget where the 8.4!! I want good entry level spkrs as this is my first buy..and going by the posts..some of u hve had the wharfies as ur first spkrs and then moved on in ur quest for the "holy grail" of accoustic perfection!!

Y the 8.4? I could pump in the extra cash and go for an IQ5!! well an audiophile may go for it and an audio enthusiast would stick to the 8.4 as he feels they "sound good" and does not see a major diff for the money.. IMHO If he remains an audio enthusiast he may stick to the wharfies and not bother much abt the system until they break down or has space constraints but an enthusiast who matures in his tastes becomes an audiophile...

maybe I will mature.. maybe I will not..(with this forum i guess i will not remain a juvenile) adn I guess we were all not born audiophiles

I hope to learn and also experiment with my first system and it will remain spl like any first love!! I hope to enjoy my music with them...if my threshold levels for "enjoyment" increases.. then i'd join most of u in ur quest for the holy grail.. else i'd remain a casual enthusiast!!

As Arj says.. in the end its all sposed to be abt music!!

Cheers and keep Rocking
Nimz

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Sq wave wrote : He will ultimately pick what he likes I wrote : buy what sounds good to your ears after some research of course and do enjoy music .. Sq wave wrote : I agree nothing is perfect I wrote : ..heck even you spend a million you'll have some downsides Sq wave wrote : But there are varying degrees of perfection I wrote : But the level of accuracy depends from person to person All said right but why is this Not really sub boss I see no comments on this...you have reflected same thoughts as I had put down in my previous posts..but beg to know why you disagreed at the outset..????

I said that because I really do not agree to most of the comments.
1. Level of accuracy does not vary from person to person. Level of perception of accuracy changes or rather ability to perceive accuracy changes from person to person but an inaccurate speaker is still inaccurate regardless of the listener.

2. Too much accuracy is not boring. It gets perfect as the accuracy increases and sound like natural.

3. I was not talking about differences in perception of accuracy when I said, “But there are varying degrees of perfection”. I was talking about the very obvious difference in quality from the low-end to the mid and hi-end.

square_wave schrieb:

One good way to study reference sound in India would be a trip to the local Jamo showroom.

Hi Sq wave - thanks for this useful bit of info.. wish i had done this earlier.. better late than never!!!

guess all newbies shud be put thru this

nimz schrieb:

Hi Guys love this forum logged in evening and was surprised to see so many posts.. made very interesting reading... I wont claim to be a purist or an audiophile... Ive had mini hifi systems, 5 in 1 systems during my college days.. and have always felt the need for better sound... that time i never knew such equipment as the ones mentioned in the forum existed.. then research on the net led me to all these brands and this forum. then research on specs and reviews led me on a diff route altogether.. the funda was "better specs better sound"..then i learnt i needed to listen as preferences may vary.. i have listened to quite a few of them spkrs which were available in Chennai..have visited all audio outlets atleast twice by now.. my roomies think am crazy as the house is littered with brochures and printouts!! again if i just buy wot i can hear.. then there is no need for these forums right?..No wrong..i feel they guide us in wot we need to look for and most times those things make our "enjoyment" of the music better..to slightly modify the old adage"the ear does not hear wot the mind does not know" this forum does a grt job at that... thanks to all u grt guys!! of all the spkrs i have listened.. the ones which i liked and fit into my budget where the 8.4!! I want good entry level spkrs as this is my first buy..and going by the posts..some of u hve had the wharfies as ur first spkrs and then moved on in ur quest for the "holy grail" of accoustic perfection!! Y the 8.4? I could pump in the extra cash and go for an IQ5!! well an audiophile may go for it and an audio enthusiast would stick to the 8.4 as he feels they "sound good" and does not see a major diff for the money.. IMHO If he remains an audio enthusiast he may stick to the wharfies and not bother much abt the system until they break down or has space constraints but an enthusiast who matures in his tastes becomes an audiophile... maybe I will mature.. maybe I will not..(with this forum i guess i will not remain a juvenile) adn I guess we were all not born audiophiles I hope to learn and also experiment with my first system and it will remain spl like any first love!! I hope to enjoy my music with them...if my threshold levels for "enjoyment" increases.. then i'd join most of u in ur quest for the holy grail.. else i'd remain a casual enthusiast!! As Arj says.. in the end its all sposed to be abt music!! Cheers and keep Rocking Nimz

I guess NIMZ has made himself very clear. Go ahead dude and buy the wharfies. They are one of the best buys out there for the money. There are a few compromises but it looks like you are not bothered by them. That is good news. One good thing about the wharfeis is that the compromises are keeping the budding audiophile in mind. The mids and highs are pretty ok and they have stayed clear of the usual high-mid-bass bump and bright highs. That makes it a starter audiophile speaker. Bets of luck and ENJOY.

square_wave schrieb:

There are a few compromises but it looks like you are not bothered by them. That is good news. One good thing about the wharfeis is that the compromises are keeping the budding audiophile in mind. The mids and highs are pretty ok and they have stayed clear of the usual high-mid-bass bump and bright highs. That makes it a starter audiophile speaker. Bets of luck and ENJOY. :)

Thanks Sq_wave

I guess the day I start getting bothered by these "compromises" would be the day i start on the road to being a purist!!(and mebbe graduate to a Acoustic portrait ms-301 ;)- yup I checked out ur profile )

I was not talking about differences in perception of accuracy when I said, “But there are varying degrees of perfection”.

I think perfection and accuracy go hand in hand....let me make a couple of statements..

Level of perception of accuracy changes or rather ability to perceive accuracy changes from person to person but an inaccurate speaker is still inaccurate regardless of the listener.

Totally disagree...If there was an exisiting yardstick brand by which we could measure accuracy then there wouldn't have been so many brands in the market....they are and do exist to cater diffrent tastes..now tell me why are audiophiles so fussy with selection of components if there existed an accurate refernce...hmmm So again will make a statement LISTEN BEFORE YOU BUY and forums will give justa basic idea about the product and some members who own it or owned it would give some tips and beware they might be biased here I've seen some members who realyy try to prove hard that they have the best shit...Heck if Nimz is determined to stick around here and think he will make his purchases by seeking guidance it's good for him but if he's too dependant then he is putting his money into other's preferences......Grow up nimz..hear what sounds good to you and don't follow people like a blind cow..As you are new to this you will have larger pitfalls in future..

Y the 8.4? I could pump in the extra cash and go for an IQ5!! well an audiophile may go for it and an audio enthusiast would stick to the 8.4 as he feels they "sound good" and does not see a major diff for the money.. IMHO If he remains an audio enthusiast he may stick to the wharfies and not bother much abt the system until they break down or has space constraints but an enthusiast who matures in his tastes becomes an audiophile...

See how confused you are.... What do you mean by audio enthisiast and an audiophile??? Listen friend ....I'm banging the hammer on table/// if you like 8.4 buy em or IQ5 sounds better stuff you cash into it..and your statement or your home brewn logic about audio enthusiast maturing into audiophile is meaningless...anyways you are confused and looking in all directions and thanks to your presence in this forum..you'll enjoy a great time here...there are many learned audiophiles here who can attain holy grail with ...forget it.hmmmm have a good time.....

I guess the day I start getting bothered by these "compromises" would be the day i start on the road to being a purist!!(and mebbe graduate to a Acoustic portrait ms-301

Compromises are in all systems..heck even a complete genesis 201 or even our dear old Jumia's monster $200K set up will have..so don't think if you are bothered by compromises you'll be a purist..but a pure..sh*t.. ..hmm see you are blindly following someone who has something which you've not heard or seen but dream to graduate upto them. .dream big my dear friend..dream big..301's can be had at a little more than what you pay for Wharfs. .so thing big if you want to and I don't really see much of diffrence in sound between wharf 9's and 301..

BTW I'm out until monday and reply to all your queries later....

What do you mean by audio enthisiast and an audiophile??? Listen friend ....I'm banging the hammer on table/// if you like 8.4 buy em or IQ5 sounds better stuff you cash into it..and your statement or your home brewn logic about audio enthusiast maturing into audiophile is meaningless...

sub sub sub.. dude... I think there IS a graduation process. Didn't you know more this year than you did last year? Aren't you always learning? Weren't you a guy who once wanted to "rock da house" with your system?? But then you grew up. You began to know better. Didn't you?? I'm sure we all did. We weren't born audiophiles were we? We graduate. Yes, we do mature from audio enthusiasts into audiophiles.

sub sub sub.. dude... I think there IS a graduation process. Didn't you know more this year than you did last year? Aren't you always learning? Weren't you a guy who once wanted to "rock da house" with your system?? But then you grew up. You began to know better. Didn't you?? I'm sure we all did. We weren't born audiophiles were we? We graduate. Yes, we do mature from audio enthusiasts into audiophiles

Thus Speakeath Sharukh

Yes shahrukh we are all learning but I never ever diffrentiate an audio enthusiast from an audiophile..Why?? Both are same..BTW what makes people think that audio enthusiast is below a status of audiophile..no they are same..if it's so then lets correct it...I tell you Shahrukh the most easily s*ckin term is audiophile..it's meaningless to me...atleast here..by just listening to a couple of set-ups each claims to be one...huh ..cheers mate...

Thus Speakeath Sharukh

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Weren't you a guy who once wanted to "rock da house" with your system??

What makes you think I don't want to do it now....

Didn't you know more this year than you did last year? Aren't you always learning?

Yes I'm learning and learnt from many here and everywhere I could but never ever sucked upto someone...