Sonus 2605 vs Wharfedales

Yes I'm learning and learnt from many here and everywhere I could but never ever sucked upto someone...

Er... nor do I recall sucking up... why do you mention it??

why do you mention it??

My friend if I make a mention it doesn't mean I targeted you....anyways here's one for your new speakers....

Yeah dude to you too! They still need a few more hours of break in though. Then it's all !!!

y friend if I make a mention it doesn't mean I targeted you

Then who? PM me if you want, this sounds interesting

Coming back to the point, I dont feel that Nimz is confused.
Instead he is quite stable in the fact that he didnt over-shoot his budget and selected a speaker which he liked within his initial budget. As he said he could have gone for a iQ5 by paying extra buck but he wants to step in carefully and develop a taste first and then spend accordingly later.
Its a wise decission nonetheless considering the fact that he has just stepped into this arena. Its easy to get confused when you see so many things at a time (many of which is within your reach) each bettering the other in some aspects.

About his comments on AP MS-301, its ok I guess, when a fellow member in the forum has graduated from 8.4 that means it could be an option for him also at a later stage. Its a very natural behaviour I feel. Now whether MS-301 is a good enough graduation is something that he will himself find out later.

I guess there are a lot of personal Biases going on in this thread..

I presume an Audiophile is an audio enthusuast but may or may not be a music lover... but again Semantics mean different things for different people and I guess most of us fall into a varying grey areas between the two..

Eg, When i listen and enjoy music from the crappy radio in the kitchen , i am a music lover but if I try to position the radio over the fridge and near the corner to give it a bass boost, does that bring a little bit of "Audiophile qualities" ?

I love to listen to downloaded MP3 songs ( at less than 128 kbps) on my music system or listen to the MTV zone on my rig, but i also like playing the Chesky test disc to see how to best tweak the system.. so nothing Wrong in being an audiophile.. in the end you are doing it to keep yourselves happy and not to prove anything to anyone..

What I appreciate about forums is not the advise people give but the Personal experiences that they share. Eg if someone says that a Quad is the best speaker in a budget, Ill ignore him. but if someone says that he liked Quad due to these qualities and then moved on to something else to to these reasons.. to me that is a great value add..

I guess there are a lot of personal Biases going on in this thread..

can you elaborate it as to why you guessed it and how you guessed it my dear friend..

What I appreciate about forums is not the advise people give but the Personal experiences that they share.

Oh and I have hardly seen any personal experience which is not biased and ofcourse thats why it's called a personal experience in first place...and generally what happens is newbies are heavily influenced into a particular product and hence it kills the budding taste a newbide has devoloped...

I guess there are a lot of personal Biases going on in this thread..

can you elaborate it as to why you guessed it and how you guessed it my dear friend..

What I appreciate about forums is not the advise people give but the Personal experiences that they share.

Oh and I have hardly seen any personal experience which is not biased and ofcourse thats why it's called a personal experience in first place...and generally what happens is newbies are heavily influenced into a particular product and hence it kills the budding taste a newbie has devoloped...maybe a neebie has something else on mind and nobody has a right to act like moral policeman and stomp his ideas and restrict it to ideas of person sharing his experience is limited to...

read this again

when a fellow member in the forum has graduated from 8.4 that means it could be an option for him also at a later stage.

Yes just an option but when you blindly plunge into the idea it's disastrous..worst he may not like the sound at all...yup maybe he would love it..who knows..a gamble right..like throwing ..25k on a game of cards..would you do it...no...BTW 8.4's are just one of the options he has...why not try Polk 60's..hey abhi it's just around 23k right..

I'd second Arj on that and I do feel that there is a graduation process...

sub_boss schrieb:

hmm see you are blindly following someone who has something which you've not heard or seen but dream to graduate upto them.

And SUB, that comment abt the Sq_waves MS 301s was meant to be on the lighter side ...am not gonna buy anything just coz it comes highly recommended...

I'd look for y someone recommends it.. see if can find that something.. and if that something is really important for me and then go for it..if the budget matches up!!

work calls..more on this later

BTW Nimz there are several brands and try some in second hand market too, you might find some juicy deals. I always feel if you buy something here is almost like buying form a second hand dealer as warranty means nothing to anyone , so try your best bang for buck. Let me know if you plan to drive em with AVR or a dedicated st amp in future..

in the end you are doing it to keep yourselves happy and not to prove anything to anyone..

I don't second Arj but first him as that's what should come first and all BS later..

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I guess there are a lot of personal Biases going on in this thread.. can you elaborate it as to why you guessed it and how you guessed it my dear friend.. What I appreciate about forums is not the advise people give but the Personal experiences that they share. Oh and I have hardly seen any personal experience which is not biased and ofcourse thats why it's called a personal experience in first place...and generally what happens is newbies are heavily influenced into a particular product and hence it kills the budding taste a newbie has devoloped...maybe a neebie has something else on mind and nobody has a right to act like moral policeman and stomp his ideas and restrict it to ideas of person sharing his experience is limited to...

Dude, with your analogy, anybody can challenge any posts on this forum saying that it is his “personal biased experience” so it is not valid. Going by your logic, if a newbie says his sonodyne floor-stander sound better than a dynaudio contour series bookshelf speaker, it can be certified as valid because his ears are the best for him. I used to think on similar lines when I started out. It is forums and reading “biased personal reviews and opinions” on forums and “biased personal opinions from fellow audiophiles” that changed me. All opinions in this world are biased. So what ??? Any idiot knows the simple logic, that he needs to experience for himself and form his own ‘PERSONAL BIASED OPINION” to know what is good for him. Are you trying to teach us something here ??????????

Posts on this forum is basically educational and it is DEFINITELY based on personal experiences and it is upon the beginner to judge for himself by learning and listening himself. If you go through the thread carefully, nobody is trying to force anything down anybody’s throat. The original poster is quite satisfied by the way the whole thread went. He actually thanked me for a few things. What is your problem ???
If I want, I can shred to pieces most of the bullshit logic you have posted out here but I am not interested. I have other interesting things going on in my life and have no time for a mundane mud-slinging match with you. I rest this case.

Nimz, pls PM me if you need any more “personal biased opinions”

I think we're hijacking nimz's original post here. You like the Wharfies Nimz? Go get em'.

Yeah go get them Nimz!!! Three cheers to u!!!!

Nimz doesn’t have any problems guys. He is happy with his decision to buy wharfies and he made his mind very clear in a post above and everybody including me is quite happy with it. Check the earlier posts. It is just that somebody has some ISSUE here with something else.

hey guys..

getting too addicted to this rather than work!!!

well well.. SUb.. i did check out the Polk 60 (thanks to reviews and opinions on the net) wiht a Denon AVR at Pro FX... as that was within my budget.. i found nuthing wrong with it..(that was one of my first auditions) but that also failed to excite me in any way... same with Boston Accoustics, Mordaunt Short, Torvin, Mission.. these are all my "biased personal opinions"!!

i guess its also got to do with the newbie.. u dont have to buy the 9.1 with a sub just to prove ur an audiophile.. Ppl in this forum are very helpful and do advice u in your best interests..but in the end it boils down to the listener!! if he wants to be coerced as per popular opinion and get a white elephant it is his fault..not the forums...

Yes SUB i plan to drive them with an AVR currently!!

And I didnt look at a second hand dealer as this is my first purchase and would want to know wot i need to look for lest i get cheated

srikarkav schrieb:

Yeah go get them Nimz!!! Three cheers to u!!!!

hey shahrukh / shree, just placed the order for the wharfies under the pretext of making a sales call

hope my boss is not on this forum

No probs in hijacking it... makes very interesting reading.. guess would help a newbie in sorting out his confusions... "i dont like the Kef but am sposed to then am i not an audiophile" kinda doubts!!!!

Keep Rocking

. Going by your logic, if a newbie says his sonodyne floor-stander sound better than a dynaudio contour series bookshelf speaker, it can be certified as valid because his ears are the best for him.

If he feels so who are we to stop him..but comparing Sonodyne and Dynaudio is your bullshit logic..

The original poster is quite satisfied by the way the whole thread went. He actually thanked me for a few things. What is your problem ???

I have no problems and if he thanked it's good for you and good for him.

If I want, I can shred to pieces most of the bullshit logic you have posted out here but I am not interested.

Not interested???

. I have other interesting things going on in my life and have no time for a mundane mud-slinging match with you.

What makes you think that I had involved you in a mud-slinging match...heheheh Why did you so strongly feel that I was making statements not at you but generalised statements...

Nimz enjoy wharfs and let us know your opinions..ofcourse biased..

OK OK couple of PM's and I'm sorry Vinny if these psots have hurt you personally in any way..not actually intended.....

Hi Nimz,

Congrats man! Looking forward to the day u get ur setup on and sharing ur exp. here on the forum.
Let me borrow ur signature man!
KEEP ROCKING!!!
Shri

thanks Shri..

welcome to my place anytime for a listen.. should be all set by the next weekend hopefully!!!

and yes Keep Rocking!!

Hi Nimz,
Good to hear about your purchase. Enjoy.
Just something that came to mind………..thought I will share it.
Frankly it is very difficult to gauge the qualities and compare speakers if you listen to them at different shops with different electronics. At the very least, try and get home auditions if you want to know how they will sound at home. Believe me, most brands offer this if they know you are serious about the purchase.
Two weeks back I was at Jeevan’s house (a very senior audiophile and member of this forum) and had a nice evening listening to his system. It is a proc studio125 with Rega Jupiter source and an aragon power amp and Jeff Rowland Pre-amp. I have another friend running the same speakers with Cambridge audio 640C source and a Musical Fidelity Integrated amp. These two systems sound so different even in near-field conditions (to minimize room effect) that I began to wonder if the speakers are the same. Remember they were in similar rooms. The room also plays a very major role in what you get to hear……..

square_wave schrieb:

Okay Nimz I will tell you what you will get from the diamond 8.4. I have lived with it for two years. Wharfedale diamond 8.4 is a mushy sounding speaker with badly booming cabinet, boomy but dry bass and a shrill tweeter. The boomy but dry bass gives it some definition but it is FAR from accurate.

square wave, clearly u don't know how to setup speakers..

Prithvi was the first to demostrate to me how much speaker positioing can change the way a loudspeaker sounds..
Onec i saw the results i was hooked..i started experimenting a lot..listening for hours on end..

the wharfies are damn good speakers for the price and for his tastes i think they should do pretty well..
nimz..congrats on ordering the speakers..they are very decent ..especially for the price u paid..experiment and be patient with them..they will reward u as time goes by(gawd! i love that song).

don't listen to the BS that some members seem to utter whenever they write...they think they are godsend...they should realise that there are guys out there and here who know more about all this tahn them..

they don't seem to get the one simple and fundamental thing into their thick skulls..
U will never be able to recreate that same effect of being there LIVE!...be it the best speaker with the best of everything..its just not as good as being there at that moment..listening live ...
go with Arjun's saying "Finally its about music..nothing else"..enjoy the music...cause that's the bottom line.

Edit:
Oh and i would strongly suggest taht you stay away from the polk monitor series of speakers...the build quality is just pathetic and the sound is biased almost entirely for HT mode.
Not worth at all..

thanks Saachi... so u finally got an opp to log on

Yup.. i hope to experiment a lot with regards to positioning, placmente adn the like..

and in the end its all sposed to be abt music..

arjun-u could copyright this and make a fortune

cant wait for them spkrs to land!!!

have a fun weekend

Whilst on this topic of the "art of listening" I have noticed a strange phenomemon. Over a period of time, the sound from my system tends to deteriorate, so to say. I then remove the interconnects, push them back in, unscrew the speaker and amplifier binding posts and reinsert the wires firmly and also the 3 pin mains plug, just remove and shove it in again for all the components.

After following the above procedure, the detail improves, the definition is better, there is no edginess or harshness in the sound. This has to be done once every 2 months. Wondering if any of you have noticed this or have experienced it at any point of time ?

Welcome your views.

Behram.

Behram,
thats a bit odd.....some sort of static build up on the connections ? I can understand speaker terminals getting loose over time but interconnects and mains plugs ?

Viren.....what would your take on this be ?

Manek.

Strange phenomenon !.. unless of course for those very very simple explanations which defy thought untill you get to them

maybe next time you can check out what really improve the sound ie the Ics, Power chord or speaker cables ?

Do you keep your amp On all the time ? if not then plugging in the Pwr chrd should be the same as switching the amp on (Unless it is always in the standby mode)

I would suspect it to be the power related (In most probability), which is affecting since Ics/speaker cables should affect it only if the contacts are affected and that should take more time than 2 months.

Hope the more experience techies like viren/sivat are able to provide some info..

No, the amp is not left ON all the time. The difference though apparent is quite minor. In the sense that unless and until I do the spring cleaning I do not notice the deterioration. It is only when everything has been opened and shoved back once again is the sound different.

I am just thinking aloud, maybe its go to do with tarnishing of cable / connector contacts and scraping them once again in the process leads to a better joint.

If the change is not that obvious, then it should not be component quality related !

But again unless it is phsycho-accoustice playing a part, if your cables get tarnished and affect sound quality in just 2 months, you might want to change them to some OFC cables.. (It cannot be the ICs/PC)

Part of the Interconnects are OFC though quite cheap, so doubt that very phrase. This is between Preamp and Power amp. The other part of Interconnects, between CDP and Preamp is 75 ohms TV coaxial cable, Nippon 5C FV, single copper conductor, copper braid, foam dielectric.

Mains cords are standard IEC types. Speaker cables again OFC but visually not tarnished.

Saavyasachi wrote:

Prithvi was the first to demostrate to me how much speaker positioing can change the way a loudspeaker sounds..
Onec i saw the results i was hooked..i started experimenting a lot..listening for hours on end..

Maybe you would like to hand out some ready-to-use guidelines on this aspect? Would be useful.

I just toed my speakers a bit in and there was an immeidiate difference. then I moved it away about 20 inches from the side walls and suddenly the middle "hole" just vanished! I couldnt have been happier!

Well there my "expertise" ends! Would be glad to know if there is anything more that can be done to improve sound.

Thanks.
ckn

yes sachi...

such guidelines would be sure appreciated!!!

choose and read from here

http://www.ecoustics...rs/Speaker_Articles/

http://www.onhifi.com/features/

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/roomacoustics/index.php

there is enough for a week

I'm back

choose and read from here http://www.ecoustics...rs/Speaker_Articles/ http://www.onhifi.com/features/ http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/roomacoustics/index.php there is enough for a week

Yes very true enough for a week..Hi Arj lemme know how do gte the vocals dead centre..they seem to be finicky lot and very very senstive with minute movements..what do you suggest?? How far from rear and side walls..

savyasachi wrote :

Edit: Oh and i would strongly suggest taht you stay away from the polk monitor series of speakers...the build quality is just pathetic and the sound is biased almost entirely for HT mode. Not worth at all..

Pal Monitor 60 is a little better, but 50 is all BS. BTW I agree completely to the rest you mentioned in the post...man BTW how's it with Scan speak now???

Savyasaachi schrieb:

square_wave schrieb: Okay Nimz I will tell you what you will get from the diamond 8.4. I have lived with it for two years. Wharfedale diamond 8.4 is a mushy sounding speaker with badly booming cabinet, boomy but dry bass and a shrill tweeter. The boomy but dry bass gives it some definition but it is FAR from accurate. square wave, clearly u don't know how to setup speakers.. Prithvi was the first to demostrate to me how much speaker positioing can change the way a loudspeaker sounds.. Onec i saw the results i was hooked..i started experimenting a lot..listening for hours on end.. the wharfies are damn good speakers for the price and for his tastes i think they should do pretty well.. nimz..congrats on ordering the speakers..they are very decent ..especially for the price u paid..experiment and be patient with them..they will reward u as time goes by(gawd! i love that song). don't listen to the BS that some members seem to utter whenever they write...they think they are godsend...they should realise that there are guys out there and here who know more about all this tahn them.. they don't seem to get the one simple and fundamental thing into their thick skulls.. U will never be able to recreate that same effect of being there LIVE!...be it the best speaker with the best of everything..its just not as good as being there at that moment..listening live ... go with Arjun's saying "Finally its about music..nothing else"..enjoy the music...cause that's the bottom line. Edit: Oh and i would strongly suggest taht you stay away from the polk monitor series of speakers...the build quality is just pathetic and the sound is biased almost entirely for HT mode. Not worth at all..

Been there , done that !
Any speaker regardless of their price needs to be carefully placed to perform best. I was talking about the inherent cabinet resonance and boom of the wharfedales. It has nothing to do with positioning of the speakers. Whatever you do, the boom and resonance from the cabinet is not gonna go away unless you do some heavy bracing. All you can do is reduce the boom created by the primary reflections by moving the speakers into the room and adjusting them but most people will be restricted due to the size of their listening area and other factors.

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Hi Arj lemme know how do gte the vocals dead centre..they seem to be finicky lot and very very senstive with minute movements..what do you suggest?? How far from rear and side walls..

What had worked quite well for me was to keep the speakers around 5 ft apart and 2 feet from the back wall. slightly elevate the speakers so that they are firing up around 10° (2 5Re coins will do it) with minimum toe in (That you can adjust to taste)

Are you getting a good soundstage ? if not then your positioning could be the reason...

this is what i was told by someone, but tis was more for European bookshelves..
1. Keep the speakers aroun 18" from the side walls
2. around 24" from the back wall
3 toe them in 30-45 degrees
4. put your listening position between those 2 along the listening wall.

Never could try it out as my setup positioning does ont give me access to bot walls, but even if your speakers en,d up too fall apart, the Imaging is supposed to improve tremendously !

try it

[quote="Savyasaachi"][quote="square_wave"]
U will never be able to recreate that same effect of being there LIVE!...be it the best speaker with the best of everything..its just not as good as being there at that moment..listening live ...
.[/quote]


And we should tell all professional nature photographers to throw their mutli thousand dollar SLR ‘s and lens and ask them to shoot with Kodak 2000 rupee autofocus cameras because a photo can never reproduce what is there, so why bother ????

square_wave schrieb:

And we should tell all professional nature photographers to throw their mutli thousand dollar SLR ‘s and lens and ask them to shoot with Kodak 2000 rupee autofocus cameras because a photo can never reproduce what is there, so why bother ????

A very interesting analogy . actually its the first time I am coming across it

reminds me of someones signature at audiogon which says smething about if the recording is a Photograph, playing it on your Hifi is a Painting !

But then i think if we try to expand sachis point, it may be that if the purpose of your music system is to replicate "Live music" you might never get there.. but if it is to enjoy it then you can chose your own path and get there

Hmmmmm…..yes it is very difficult to get there. We can only get very close and such systems usually cost a bomb. Not to mention the cost of the room setup.

Expanding my point, the purpose of an audiophile’s music system is to get as close as possible at any given budget. For the audiophile, the “cleanest” and the most “natural” at any given budget is the priority over the “biggest” and the “loudest”.

Disclaimer: This is a general view and it has nothing to do with the original post as the poster as already got what he wanted and ordered his babies a week ago. I guess this one warrants a separate thread. I ‘ll try and start one

Hiya Ppl,

My wharfedale 8.4 arrived last night .. spent the better part of the night setting them up with my new Sr4600...

Am very happy to see these beauties in my house.. but theres a nagging feeling..

1. the first time i fired up the amp.. the sound was kinda restrained.. like straining to break free.. then it kinda became better... but still strains..

2. mebbe an offshoot of point # 1. the bass is not wot i heard in the showroom.. like i find it straining.. i ahve ptut the spkrs on the supplied plinths.. in the showroom they had it on the carpets without plinths.. should i remove the plinths for better bass response

3. The marantz hits the peak at even very moderate volumes.. my source is a normal Philips 5106... is this normal?

4. the vocals are kinda leaning towards to the right and not exactly dead center and slightly down.. well the room i have is not accoustically great.. the right side wall near the right speaker has a large doorway abt 4 feet frm the spkr.. would that be a reason... the left spkrs has solid walls on both sides and abt 1.5 feet from back and side.. would an extra toe in from the right spkr solve the issue?



Any suggestions appreciated...

thnks
NImz

Hi Nimz,

Refer to http://www.audiorevi..._130245_1594crx.aspx

You sure should get some ideas.

Behram.

nimz schrieb:

Hiya Ppl, My wharfedale 8.4 arrived last night .. spent the better part of the night setting them up with my new Sr4600... Am very happy to see these beauties in my house.. but theres a nagging feeling.. 1. the first time i fired up the amp.. the sound was kinda restrained.. like straining to break free.. then it kinda became better... but still strains..

Play it overnight usually the drivers need some time for breaking in..
then check again

2. mebbe an offshoot of point # 1. the bass is not wot i heard in the showroom.. like i find it straining.. i ahve ptut the spkrs on the supplied plinths.. in the showroom they had it on the carpets without plinths.. should i remove the plinths for better bass response

I dont think it makes that big a difference.. but try it out. ideally the speaker should be very rigid and should not rock when pressure is put on it.. another way ois to see if you can put a couple of heavy books like dictionaries/telephone directories on top of the speakers and see if it improves

3. The marantz hits the peak at even very moderate volumes.. my source is a normal Philips 5106... is this normal?

what do you mean by hitting the peak ? is that the maximum volume ? that usually happens if the power is not enough to drive the speakers.. but could you also chek if all connections are tight ?

4. the vocals are kinda leaning towards to the right and not exactly dead center and slightly down.. well the room i have is not accoustically great.. the right side wall near the right speaker has a large doorway abt 4 feet frm the spkr.. would that be a reason... the left spkrs has solid walls on both sides and abt 1.5 feet from back and side.. would an extra toe in from the right spkr solve the issue? Any suggestions appreciated... thnks NImz

rather than changing the toe in which could be a long process, it would help to change the L/R balance in the amp to adjust. if this works on all songs then the imaging shift is due to the speaker but sometimes recordings itlself could be like that !

thanks Arj

Regarding the break in I browsed around and the wharfies need some 50 hrs to sound good it seems... anyways am playing it non stop now...

Adjusted the toe in.. didnt do much to the L/R balance but spent time yest to do a "setup".. earlier I was in such a hurry to play them had done a "simple setup".. the imaging has improved... gone up a little...and some recordings.. yes they move a lil left / right..

Reg, hitting the peak.. Theres a Red "ATT" thing which lights up wen the "input signal is high" according to the manual.. even wen I play certain discs at low volumes... the manual advises to press the ATTenuate buttom on the remote in such cases.. my apprehension - is this detrimental to the AVR? and is the AVR too entry level to get this at low volumes.

And can I bi amp using the B speaker option in the marantz?

just wanna make sure before i try things out and make 50K go up in smoke

Cheers
Nimz

Behram schrieb:

Hi Nimz, Refer to http://www.audiorevi..._130245_1594crx.aspx You sure should get some ideas. Behram.

thanks behram.. sorry I missed ur post in my last sneaky visit.. as am visiting the forum undercover

keep rocking

Nimz

Hi Nimz,
The 8.4’s need at least 100 hours on them to actually free up. I have noticed this with my pair. But do not expect miracles after the 100 hours, the basic tonality will remain same but the speakers will sound slightly open and airy. The Kevlar units will free up and the bass will improve.

Please do use the spikes with or without the plinth. The plinth is cosmetic, it does not add or remove anything to the sound. One more thing. The wharfedales have a tendency to restrict the height of the soundstage due to the slightly rolled off and soft sounding tweeter. You can improve this by placing the speaker on stands of at least 4 inches in height. Please do not use anything flimsy. Try to get the thickest marble or granite piece and place the speaker on top of this. This further isolates the speaker and makes the bass tighter and improves the height of the soundstage.
What speaker wire are you using ? I have found that the kimber 4pr to work pretty well with them.

One more thing I had noticed is the necessity for a high current amp. I am talking about high-current capability and not watts here. I used to have a pioneer 70 watter integrated and it used to clip mercilessly when pushed. I then checked them with a few av receiver and amps owned by friends (most of them rated 100 watts and above) and the scene was the same. I then picked up a 320bee from a friend for testing and bingo ! It started singing fine. Bass improved and there was no clipping even pushed. I ended up with the C350 finally. Remember the 320bee is just 50watts but it is a high-current design.

Reg, hitting the peak.. Theres a Red "ATT" thing which lights up wen the "input signal is high" according to the manual.. even wen I play certain discs at low volumes... the manual advises to press the ATTenuate buttom on the remote in such cases.. my apprehension - is this detrimental to the AVR? and is the AVR too entry level to get this at low volumes

This means that the input stage of the amplifier is overloading. Do as the manual advises you or you will run into input clipping. Most amplifiers have the volume control at the input itself which is a passive stage, hence no chance of input overload. This is not detrimental to the AVR but surprisingly the input sensitivity has been set quite high. Is there a switch at the rear that can adjust the sensitivity ?

And can I bi amp using the B speaker option in the marantz?

Yes you can.

Hmm.. that means that the output of the DVDp is higher than expected..

Why dont you use the digital out of the DVD and connect it to the coaxial in of the AVR.. just use your usual interconnect..

thanks Arj, Behram

Am using some local make analog interconnects as of now..

Planning to get a digi coaxial cable very soon. Any suggestions... i dont want a fancy expensive one like they show in WHat HIFI.. something good and cost effective!!

I will check reg adjusting the i/p sesitivity at the back...or have to keep the ATT button pressed (hope this wont affect the quality of reproduction)

Reg bi amping using the spkr B option or biwiring (the manual advised against using more that one speaker cable to one post on the AVR!!so thinknig twice reg biwiring) would try both to see wot works.. but in your exp. which would give better detail and soundstaging (and increase the bass response)

guess am bugging u ppl too much with naive queries.. thanks guys...


nimz