Quest for a Centre Channel

Please use center channel same as your fronts.. I mean the same brand and same series

rockamedi schrieb:

Please use center channel same as your fronts.. I mean the same brand and same series

Rightly said.

All 5 speakers should be from the same stable.

So i should buy speakers from the same Sonus series for all my channels ??

Another question is i am planning for a 7.1 setup. so could you suggest if i should go for dipole speakers for my surround channels ???

Perfect !!!

Do you have the space for all those speakers in your listening room ?

Do you buy all 'original dvd's' ?????
Because the Malaysian / Thai DVD's do not encode in 7.1.

A good 5.1 set up is more than enough.
Do not try to get into the 7.1 set up. It is really very very complicated to install & get right.

Just a suggestion.

Well thanks for the suggestion. I know there is no software which is being used to encode/decode the DVD movies in 7.1 channels. Maybe it will start with the advent of HDCD or Blue-ray discs.

Till that time i will stick to 5.1 setup. 7.1 will be at a much latter stage.

So should i go for dipole's (the Sonus R-ears) for my surrounds. Somebody told that dipole's wont be good for listening to music in surround mode. Is that true ???

I have been buying original DVD's till now till the time i saw a pirated version of a DVD movie having the same quality and sound encoding as the original and that at a cheap price.

Dear Sunil,

DTS EX & Dolby Digital ES have got rear channel signal rolled into the surround channels. These signal after appropriate deconding are sent to the back channels. DTS Discrete has a discrete 6th channel. EX/ES decoding provides better effect with even the normal Dolby Digital & DTS encoding.

If you are planning 7.1 setup, you don't need dipole speakers. The surround and rear speakers provide enough ambience and space to the sound. Moreover, if later you want to upgrade to multichannel music, you should avoid dipole.

Get all the speakers of same brand and series. Centre channel should be dedicated centre speaker which has greater emphasis on the midrange to enhance the dialogue or human voice.

HDCD do not have multi-channel music they only have better encoding to improve sound quality when played on HDCD compatible CD players.

Blue-ray? I don't know anything about it.

Pirated vs. Original? Pirated DVDs may not carry all the information on them e.g. they may not have all the language options, etc. However, there should not be any difference in the information available except for the quality of the disc & recording.

Regards

Sanjay

Yes, its true that Dipoles arent good for multichannel music...you can better go for a Bipole or even a good pair of sattellite speakers.

Another thing which i am concerned about is the frequency range of sonus bookshelfs (1501). it is 75hz - 20 khz. is that enough for rear surrounds i mean what about the sounds that go lower than 75 hz that wont be heard.

whereas i have looked at the specs of diamond 8.1 they offer a frequency range of 60hz.

lastly is it really compulsory to go with the same brand for rears or we can match up with some other brand. what is difference ???

SUNILYO schrieb:

Another thing which i am concerned about is the frequency range of sonus bookshelfs (1501). it is 75hz - 20 khz. is that enough for rear surrounds i mean what about the sounds that go lower than 75 hz that wont be heard. whereas i have looked at the specs of diamond 8.1 they offer a frequency range of 60hz. lastly is it really compulsory to go with the same brand for rears or we can match up with some other brand. what is difference ???

Rears doesnt go as low...you are well off with 75hz...the point is if they match the tonality and overall aesthetics, you are done. You could try out genie1/2 for surrounds as well, in that case you can wall mount it and have the liberty to focus it in the right direction, a bookshelf may be too big for such flexibilities.

Dear Sunil,

Human ears can not accurately pinpoint the direction of frequencies below 80 Hz. Therefore, it is perfectly fine for the low frequencies from the rear channels to be directed to the Sub. It helps to reduce the cost of the system.

Regards

Sanjay

I think i'll stick to sonus range only. Lastly the 1501 is a bookshelf type speaker so should i use a stand (which i think sonodyne doesnt have one for these ones) or can i put them up on walls.

I dont want to use stands actually (due to space constraints) so please suggest something accordingly.

SUNILYO schrieb:

I think i'll stick to sonus range only. Lastly the 1501 is a bookshelf type speaker so should i use a stand (which i think sonodyne doesnt have one for these ones) or can i put them up on walls. I dont want to use stands actually (due to space constraints) so please suggest something accordingly.

Stands are best but you need space which you said you dont have...Mounting on the wall is OK but how do you make your Bookshelf speaker tilt inwards to the room ???

for that i am thinking of placing the speakers just to the left and right of the sitting area.

Hmmm...can be done but still I am skeptical...
Do check out their Genie speakers and see how they do with the Sonus towers. To be frank, Genie is a much much better speaker than their Bookshelf ones...Genies have very good tonal characteristics and are real good for both music and movies...hence do check them out with the rest of the equipments being Sonus.

Ok i'll check them out.

And according to you if i go on buying the Genie's then how should i place them. should i keep them as i have pointed earlier or should i keep them behind and tilt them towards the listening area.

could you also give me an idea of the prices of Genie 1 and 2? I think the 3's would be an overkill and expensive too.

Put them behind and tilt them inwards a bit.
Genie1: 3.2k per piece
Genie2: 6.2k per piece.

Both are very good, you just have to see which one goes better with Sonus while auditioning. If there is a marginal difference then you an easily go for Genie1..they are a very capable set of speakers.

But Abhi, can you match the Genie with the Sonus? The Genies are aluminium die-cast, whereas the Sonus as Natural wood finish.
Wundt "timbre match" pose a problem here?

Rears doesnt matter much...just go ahead and listen.

abhi.pani schrieb:

SUNILYO schrieb: Another thing which i am concerned about is the frequency range of sonus bookshelfs (1501). it is 75hz - 20 khz. is that enough for rear surrounds i mean what about the sounds that go lower than 75 hz that wont be heard. whereas i have looked at the specs of diamond 8.1 they offer a frequency range of 60hz. lastly is it really compulsory to go with the same brand for rears or we can match up with some other brand. what is difference ??? Rears doesnt go as low...you are well off with 75hz...the point is if they match the tonality and overall aesthetics, you are done. You could try out genie1/2 for surrounds as well, in that case you can wall mount it and have the liberty to focus it in the right direction, a bookshelf may be too big for such flexibilities.

Hey Abhi...don't state things if you don't know...just because u haven't heard surrounds which can go low , which can bring out the content in the rear channels u can't generalise and say that surrounds don't go low...

And matching of the surrounds matter as well...

Savyasaachi schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: SUNILYO schrieb: Another thing which i am concerned about is the frequency range of sonus bookshelfs (1501). it is 75hz - 20 khz. is that enough for rear surrounds i mean what about the sounds that go lower than 75 hz that wont be heard. whereas i have looked at the specs of diamond 8.1 they offer a frequency range of 60hz. lastly is it really compulsory to go with the same brand for rears or we can match up with some other brand. what is difference ??? Rears doesnt go as low...you are well off with 75hz...the point is if they match the tonality and overall aesthetics, you are done. You could try out genie1/2 for surrounds as well, in that case you can wall mount it and have the liberty to focus it in the right direction, a bookshelf may be too big for such flexibilities. Hey Abhi...don't state things if you don't know...just because u haven't heard surrounds which can go low , which can bring out the content in the rear channels u can't generalise and say that surrounds don't go low... And matching of the surrounds matter as well...

Hey Sachi, dont assume things, its not that I dont know things or I havent heard surrounds that go low.....I HAVE heard systems with very good rear speakers, which even go really low....the point is here we are talking about very very entry level setups where in the budget for the rear speaker is just around 10k and also the AVR is very basic.
At this price point IMO its better to go for tonally better
speaker which gels well rather than going for a flabby bookshelf speaker (Sonus 1501) with some more bass but tonally crappy. Thats what I have experienced when listening to HTs at various places.
Also its not that you just attach a larger speaker and you start hearing extra content, recievers should be really good enough to pump out those low level signals to the rears with sufficient current to drive them well enough. Where as most of the budget recievers I have heard divert them to the sub.
My post is in accordance with the context here and not a generalized one. If you read it as a stand alone post you may find it generalized but thats not the case here.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Hey Sachi, dont assume things, its not that I dont know things or I havent heard surrounds that go low.....I HAVE heard systems with very good rear speakers, which even go really low....the point is here we are talking about very very entry level setups where in the budget for the rear speaker is just around 10k and also the AVR is very basic. At this price point IMO its better to go for tonally better speaker which gels well rather than going for a flabby bookshelf speaker (Sonus 1501) with some more bass but tonally crappy. Thats what I have experienced when listening to HTs at various places. Also its not that you just attach a larger speaker and you start hearing extra content, recievers should be really good enough to pump out those low level signals to the rears with sufficient current to drive them well enough. Where as most of the budget recievers I have heard divert them to the sub. My post is in accordance with the context here and not a generalized one. If you read it as a stand alone post you may find it generalized but thats not the case here.

abhi, Abhi...ur talking agian without thinking abt what ur saying..
first of all i haven't come across any receiver which powers the sub. There is no seperate power amp module for the sub on the erceiver..if u know of one..then let me know.

The SQ fals on teh amplifer no doubt but then gain its the Processor section of the receiver which plays a more important part.

Budget receivers do have the option of funneling the low freq to the sub if the rest of the channels are not upto it.
If in case u do have such a system that can handle most freqs well then u have the option of setting those speaerks as 'Large' thereby the full signal for that channel is sent there instead of being cutoff at the sub crossover freq.

For a budget of 10k i can get u very decent center and surrounds..go for the Wharfedale WH-2...excellent VFM and i think Arj has a pair of them and would concur with my statement.

Stop making assumptions Sachi...I am not saying anything without thinking...I never do that. Instead you seem to be interpreting things just a bit too fast.

I said:

Where as most of the budget recievers I have heard divert them to the sub.

Note the word "Divert" here...how on earth can you even imagine that I am talking of powering the sub through the recviever...
I was just saying that the lower frequencies are diverted (funneling, as you call it) to the sub.

Budget receivers do have the option of funneling the low freq to the sub if the rest of the channels are not upto it. If in case u do have such a system that can handle most freqs well then u have the option of setting those speaerks as 'Large' thereby the full signal for that channel is sent there instead of being cutoff at the sub crossover freq.

I am aware of this "Large" and "Small" concept in the AVRs but I havent noticed a significant difference between the two in the entry level recievers.
I guess it "might" be because of inadequate power reserve to push all channels really well

For a budget of 10k i can get u very decent center and surrounds..go for the Wharfedale WH-2...excellent VFM and i think Arj has a pair of them and would concur with my statement.

Though you are making sense but how can you match a Wharfdale Center speaker to Sonodyne Fronts ? Regarding the rears, I havent heard them, but the reason I didnt suggest Wharfdales is because they are very different sounding than Sonodyne sonus series. Wharfs are lot more laidback than Sonus and whether they match or not is a difficult task to make sure. I dont know any dealer who deals in both, hence getting to hear the Sonus fronts + Center with Wharf surrounds is actually a difficult thing to arrange. Since I have heard the genies with the Sonus and found them to very good so I openly suggested.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Stop making assumptions Sachi...I am not saying anything without thinking...I never do that. Instead you seem to be interpreting things just a bit too fast. I said: Where as most of the budget recievers I have heard divert them to the sub. Note the word "Divert" here...how on earth can you even imagine that I am talking of powering the sub through the recviever... I was just saying that the lower frequencies are diverted (funneling, as you call it) to the sub. Budget receivers do have the option of funneling the low freq to the sub if the rest of the channels are not upto it. If in case u do have such a system that can handle most freqs well then u have the option of setting those speaerks as 'Large' thereby the full signal for that channel is sent there instead of being cutoff at the sub crossover freq. I am aware of this "Large" and "Small" concept in the AVRs but I havent noticed a significant difference between the two in the entry level recievers. I guess it "might" be because of inadequate power reserve to push all channels really well For a budget of 10k i can get u very decent center and surrounds..go for the Wharfedale WH-2...excellent VFM and i think Arj has a pair of them and would concur with my statement. Though you are making sense but how can you match a Wharfdale Center speaker to Sonodyne Fronts ? Regarding the rears, I havent heard them, but the reason I didnt suggest Wharfdales is because they are very different sounding than Sonodyne sonus series. Wharfs are lot more laidback than Sonus and whether they match or not is a difficult task to make sure. I dont know any dealer who deals in both, hence getting to hear the Sonus fronts + Center with Wharf surrounds is actually a difficult thing to arrange. Since I have heard the genies with the Sonus and found them to very good so I openly suggested.

hmm..perhaps i did read a bit more into ur post than that was actually there..

When u are takling abt entry level HT..u really think u would hear a huge differnce in sq?..
sonodynes are anyhitng but forawrd..they are downright harsh!

The sonodyne amp too is no better..wheezes and runs out of breath just like any entry level receiver.

I personally think u will hear a diffenrece when all the channels are matched ..thisis a fact...but then again if u are on a budget then i guess go with what u get in that range and these days u have receivers where u can at least equalise the center channel to your taste.

You haven't seen a difference in the two becasue of a simple fact..the receivers don't have enough power(current if u will)to deliver or the speakers can't handle those lows or both...so its a no brainer..so there is no 'might' here.

Do yourself a favor and listen to a setup where the rears can go down and of course where the rears are driven by real amplifiers not some teeny weeny receivers using STK chip amps.
U need at least 100/125 watts per channel in the rear with speakers having a -3dB response of less than 35hZ.

I have heard in at least two places which had the kind of setup am talking about.

Savyasaachi schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: Stop making assumptions Sachi...I am not saying anything without thinking...I never do that. Instead you seem to be interpreting things just a bit too fast. I said: Where as most of the budget recievers I have heard divert them to the sub. Note the word "Divert" here...how on earth can you even imagine that I am talking of powering the sub through the recviever... I was just saying that the lower frequencies are diverted (funneling, as you call it) to the sub. Budget receivers do have the option of funneling the low freq to the sub if the rest of the channels are not upto it. If in case u do have such a system that can handle most freqs well then u have the option of setting those speaerks as 'Large' thereby the full signal for that channel is sent there instead of being cutoff at the sub crossover freq. I am aware of this "Large" and "Small" concept in the AVRs but I havent noticed a significant difference between the two in the entry level recievers. I guess it "might" be because of inadequate power reserve to push all channels really well For a budget of 10k i can get u very decent center and surrounds..go for the Wharfedale WH-2...excellent VFM and i think Arj has a pair of them and would concur with my statement. Though you are making sense but how can you match a Wharfdale Center speaker to Sonodyne Fronts ? Regarding the rears, I havent heard them, but the reason I didnt suggest Wharfdales is because they are very different sounding than Sonodyne sonus series. Wharfs are lot more laidback than Sonus and whether they match or not is a difficult task to make sure. I dont know any dealer who deals in both, hence getting to hear the Sonus fronts + Center with Wharf surrounds is actually a difficult thing to arrange. Since I have heard the genies with the Sonus and found them to very good so I openly suggested. hmm..perhaps i did read a bit more into ur post than that was actually there.. When u are takling abt entry level HT..u really think u would hear a huge differnce in sq?.. sonodynes are anyhitng but forawrd..they are downright harsh! The sonodyne amp too is no better..wheezes and runs out of breath just like any entry level receiver. I personally think u will hear a diffenrece when all the channels are matched ..thisis a fact...but then again if u are on a budget then i guess go with what u get in that range and these days u have receivers where u can at least equalise the center channel to your taste. You haven't seen a difference in the two becasue of a simple fact..the receivers don't have enough power(current if u will)to deliver or the speakers can't handle those lows or both...so its a no brainer..so there is no 'might' here. Do yourself a favor and listen to a setup where the rears can go down and of course where the rears are driven by real amplifiers not some teeny weeny receivers using STK chip amps. U need at least 100/125 watts per channel in the rear with speakers having a -3dB response of less than 35hZ. I have heard in at least two places which had the kind of setup am talking about.

Thats the point Sachi...we are not talking about general HT scenario. Instead we are downright specific here saying that we have a entry level HT here with Sonus towers and center (all this are fixed components), now which Rears to select ?
Adding our experiences about some real good HT setups that we have heard actually wont help in this case IMO because SunilYO neither has a budget for them nor is anything as good available for that money. Hence I got specific to his requirements.

Regarding Sonodyne reciever (AVR300), I find them very good for the money (17k), much more musical than many others in similar price range, but thats subjective.

As far as doing myself the favor of listening to real good HT is concerned, yes I have done that, I have seen what they are capable of but I dont feel the need to mention them as they are in different league both in price and performance domain.

For what SUNILYO is here for, I have stated my opinion regarding the best he can get because I have heard them performing as a combo.

hmmm...yeah its subjective definitely..
i had auditioned the Sonodyne for a good half hour with 4 of my close buddies and the unanimous conclusion was that the system was just downright crappy..was a miracle that we actually listened to it for half an hour...

I personally feel if budget is a concern and SQ is not too much of a criteria and the looks part is inconsequential then go for a pair of used boom box(mini hifi if u will) speakers...they will do the job.

I personally feel if budget is a concern and SQ is not too much of a criteria and the looks part is inconsequential then go for a pair of used boom box(mini hifi if u will) speakers...they will do the job.

I completely agree to this... Boom box speakers are pretty better than entry level BS or surrounds and what more you get the additonal boom and tizz in rear surround effects...makes movies more enjoyable...jhakaaz DTS surround hoga bhai....

When u are takling abt entry level HT..u really think u would hear a huge differnce in sq?..

You have raised a valid point here.... You cannot diffrentiate much between speakers as much you would ever do with mid level set up's. Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center and pick up some used boom box speakers for surrounds and upgrade them later... Give more importance to center now.

I am yet to hear the Sonus with their processor-power amp combo hence cant comment, but their AVR300 did a good job every time I hear them.

I personally feel if budget is a concern and SQ is not too much of a criteria and the looks part is inconsequential then go for a pair of used boom box(mini hifi if u will) speakers...they will do the job.

Buddy I am yet to see someone without budget concern. Any average Indian sparing even 50k for a Music system is actually a remarkable feat in itself. Hence we cant neglect that concern. That doesnt mean he is not bothered about SQ. If he was not bothered about SQ he wouldnt have been here in the first place. And please dont talk about boom boxes and mini-compo here. They dont fall into our domain at all. If you can suggest something good to Sunilyo within his budget that might help him instead.

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I completely agree to this... Boom box speakers are pretty better than entry level BS or surrounds and what more you get the additonal boom and tizz in rear surround effects...makes movies more enjoyable...jhakaaz DTS surround hoga bhai.... ;)

heheh,...exactly..u get all the extra fizz thrown in by the Sony, Aiwa 'R&D' chaps...

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I personally feel if budget is a concern and SQ is not too much of a criteria and the looks part is inconsequential then go for a pair of used boom box(mini hifi if u will) speakers...they will do the job. I completely agree to this... Boom box speakers are pretty better than entry level BS or surrounds and what more you get the additonal boom and tizz in rear surround effects...makes movies more enjoyable...jhakaaz DTS surround hoga bhai....

heheh,...exactly..u get all the extra fizz thrown in by the Sony, Aiwa 'R&D' chaps...

so what happened to all that timbre matching of speakers etc..

Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center and pick up some used boom box speakers for surrounds and upgrade them later... Give more importance to center now.

He is already picking up the matching center....trying to go for a better center (from a different brand) and then checking out whether it matches well the Sonus towers...dont you think its improbable given the current market scenario, where you DONT get a home demo even after you commit to buy.

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center. Give more importance to center now.

Ok. So what do you suggest for my setup. I am thinking of the centre from Sonus range, since i have heard that all 03 fronts should be of same make. But still i am open to your suggestions.

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

and pick up some used boom box speakers for surrounds and upgrade them later...

i have some used pairs from my old BPL D200 model, but the problem is that they operate at 4ohms and according to SR-4600's manual you can use any speaker of 6 to 8 ohms only not below that. I think the speakers can handle 30 - 35 rms max and my AVR outputs 80 wpc.

what do u say on this?

abhi.pani schrieb:

Buddy I am yet to see someone without budget concern. Any average Indian sparing even 50k for a Music system is actually a remarkable feat in itself. Hence we cant neglect that concern. That doesnt mean he is not bothered about SQ. If he was not bothered about SQ he wouldnt have been here in the first place.

That's true, but the thing is that when budget becomes a criteria SQ suffers..right?

And please dont talk about boom boxes and mini-compo here. They dont fall into our domain at all. If you can suggest something good to Sunilyo within his budget that might help him instead.

Why not?..at least in this regard i find it extremly useful and beneficial for our friend Sunilyo.

The mini comps's speakers would do the job as good as the sonodyne's ...no denying that..i have seen inside a couple of Sonodyne speakers and was appaled to see that it was no better than a mini compo speakers..
no damping material..electrolytic capacitors for crossover and iron core inductors..and that too just thrown in not done on a PCB.

Now, tell me how is this different from any of the sony's and aiwas..
Do u feel it is justified to pay extra money just for the genie's aluminium or whatever brushed finish they have given..The drivers they are using too are Chinese IWAI(got this from a source)..so no better than the Sony and aiwas..why pay extra then?

and u have heard the aiwas in my place itself..do u feel that they are not doing the job??

I agree it could be a whole lot better if i have better spekers but i would need a bettter amp and processor to find significant difference in SQ..

on the question of processors..in entry level receivers so far among the ones i have auditioned the only ones that impressed me in the surround performance were the Yamaha and the H/K...Marantz was too laid back in its presentaion ..a bit lacklusture..Denon was better but not as good as the yammy or the H/K..but the Yammy suffers in the center channel massively IMHO of course...

i have some used pairs from my old BPL D200 model, but the problem is that they operate at 4ohms and according to SR-4600's manual you can use any speaker of 6 to 8 ohms only not below that. I think the speakers can handle 30 - 35 rms max and my AVR outputs 80 wpc.

Shouldnt be a problem until you stretch the volume really high.
It can definitely do the job to start with. Its only when you fit in a good surround speaker you can make sure whether you find the difference. BTW you can do one thing....give your confirmation to the Sonodyne chaps for the whole setup except the rears and ask them to give a demo of the rears when they come to install the rest of the chain...tell them that you will keep it only if you like it. Do an A/B between your BPL and the Sonodyne rears....see if you find the difference worth paying.

Why not?..at least in this regard i find it extremly useful and beneficial for our friend Sunilyo. The mini comps's speakers would do the job as good as the sonodyne's ...no denying that..i have seen inside a couple of Sonodyne speakers and was appaled to see that it was no better than a mini compo speakers.. no damping material..electrolytic capacitors for crossover and iron core inductors..and that too just thrown in not done on a PCB. Now, tell me how is this different from any of the sony's and aiwas.. Do u feel it is justified to pay extra money just for the genie's aluminium or whatever brushed finish they have given..The drivers they are using too are Chinese IWAI(got this from a source)..so no better than the Sony and aiwas..why pay extra then? and u have heard the aiwas in my place itself..do u feel that they are not doing the job?? I agree it could be a whole lot better if i have better spekers but i would need a bettter amp and processor to find significant difference in SQ.. on the question of processors..in entry level receivers so far among the ones i have auditioned the only ones that impressed me in the surround performance were the Yamaha and the H/K...Marantz was too laid back in its presentaion ..a bit lacklusture..Denon was better but not as good as the yammy or the H/K..but the Yammy suffers in the center channel massively IMHO of course...

I thought you are asking him to buy boom boxes instead of the Sonus towers..
Your logic about mini-compo speaker doing the surround duty is perfectly fine. You are also right about some Sonodyne speakers being not good. But I strongly believe in the capabilities of the genies. They sound fantastic for their stature IMO. Just because few Sonodynes dont sound good, lets not put down all their products. Whether they use chinese or Japanese drivers the Genies sound really good to my ears. Thats the reason I have suggested Sunil to get the genies home for a demo along with his complete set and see if he can find the extra difference between genies and his BPL...I strongly feel he would, especially if listens to multichannel music.
If he is not planning to listen mutichannel music often then a Dipole can do a much better job...simple

For me till now i am into movies and maybe in the future too. Multi-channel audio i havent thought about it seriously yet, but it is still a distant venture for me.

So guys, should i opt for the dipoles since they bring out the effects much more decently.

Edit:
I also see that they (Sonus R-ears) have better Freq. Response than their bookshelves.

Hey Sunilyo,

At the time i heard the Sonodyne( a week back) they were using the dipoles for surrounds..
frankly spekering disregarding the timbre matching i honestly feel that the wharfedale WH-2 would sing rings around the sonodynes..

Hi saachi,

How much do the WH-2 cost ???

last time i inquired ..around 6.5 to 7k

Abhi Pani wrote :

I thought you are asking him to buy boom boxes instead of the Sonus towers..

I wrote :

Boom box speakers are pretty better than entry level BS or surrounds and what more you get the additonal boom and tizz in rear surround effects..

Read .......dude read.. and don't think too much like Sonic..it looks to me you just want to pounce into debate nowadays and don't care to read posts.. , so you return back to your original self this will stress you too much...

but the problem is that they operate at 4ohms and according to SR-4600's manual you can use any speaker of 6 to 8 ohms only not below that. I think the speakers can handle 30 - 35 rms max and my AVR outputs 80 wpc.

Don't bother and as Abhi suggested don't crank it too loud, but shouldn't stop you from enjoying fairly loud movies..

So guys, should i opt for the dipoles since they bring out the effects much more decently.

Gun in for it..multi channel music is just talked everywhere, but nobody has heard em too frequently..it's waste of time..

AB wrote :

....trying to go for a better center (from a different brand) and then checking out whether it matches well the Sonus towers...dont

so what happened to all that timbre matching of speakers etc..

consistency my dear friend consistency!!!!!!
You seem to contradicting your own statements in consequstive posts and anyone reading it will get confused.

Relax , read , think and then write.. don't jump and hang on thorny bushes..

Sunilyo wrote :

Ok. So what do you suggest for my setup. I am thinking of the centre from Sonus range, since i have heard that all 03 fronts should be of same make. But still i am open to your suggestions.

If I were you and I would go for same centre and complete the job.

And please dont talk about boom boxes and mini-compo here. They dont fall into our domain at all. If you can suggest something good to Sunilyo within his budget that might help him instead.

Why not??? If it helps someone... I personally feel some boom mox speakers can beat the shit out of entry level BS in dynamics and thats what is more imp for HT.

Abhi Pani wrote : I thought you are asking him to buy boom boxes instead of the Sonus towers.. I wrote : Boom box speakers are pretty better than entry level BS or surrounds and what more you get the additonal boom and tizz in rear surround effects.. Read .......dude read.. and don't think too much like Sonic..it looks to me you just want to pounce into debate nowadays and don't care to read posts.. , so you return back to your original self this will stress you too much...

Tu chup bey....
I wrote that because Sachi wrote:

I personally feel if budget is a concern and SQ is not too much of a criteria and the looks part is inconsequential then go for a pair of used boom box(mini hifi if u will) speakers...they will do the job.

Looks like you are having problem reading too many posts at a time and compiling them...


SUB_BOOOOOS Wrote:

AB wrote : ....trying to go for a better center (from a different brand) and then checking out whether it matches well the Sonus towers...dont so what happened to all that timbre matching of speakers etc.. consistency my dear friend consistency!!!!!! You seem to contradicting your own statements in consequstive posts and anyone reading it will get confused. Relax , read , think and then write.. don't jump and hang on thorny bushes..

I wrote:

He is already picking up the matching center....trying to go for a better center (from a different brand) and then checking out whether it matches well the Sonus towers...dont you think its improbable given the current market scenario, where you DONT get a home demo even after you commit to buy.

Dont chop off the leading and trailing sentences and then form a opinion....I am all for matching the speakers. Thats the reason I am asking him NOT to experiment with other brands (even though they might be better sounding individually).

Look at this:
Sub Wrote:

Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center

If I were you and I would go for same centre and complete the job.

Now who is contradicting own sentences....
Dont confuse people man....

Why not??? If it helps someone... I personally feel some boom mox speakers can beat the shit out of entry level BS in dynamics and thats what is more imp for HT.

Agreed that some mini-compos are really well built and can do the job. I remember one "Sharp" model priced around 35k (three way design with a Super tweeter included)...yet to hear anything as good from and entry level Bookshelf.
But thats rare. Even otherwise though boom boxes can do a decent job...still I somewhat believe in specialist speakers especially if you have the budget to buy them and looking at a complete package.

I wrote that because Sachi wrote:

Whoever wrote but meant the same...

Dont chop off the leading and trailing sentences and then form a opinion..

Please understand that after full stops it's a diffrent sentence and means diffrent.. see for yourself.

....trying to go for a better center (from a different brand) and then checking out whether it matches well the Sonus towers...

and this is a seperate post too and means diffrent so no question of chopping off leading and trailing sentences..

so what happened to all that timbre matching of speakers etc..

So it's you who contradicts...


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Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center If I were you and I would go for same centre and complete the job. Now who is contradicting own sentences.... Dont confuse people man....

better center means centre from the same brand as per posts in the beginning..please read again all posts...

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I wrote that because Sachi wrote: Whoever wrote but meant the same... Dont chop off the leading and trailing sentences and then form a opinion.. Please understand that after full stops it's a diffrent center.. see for yourself. ....trying to go for a better center (from a different brand) and then checking out whether it matches well the Sonus towers... and this is a seperate post so what happened to all that timbre matching of speakers etc.. -------------------------------- Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center If I were you and I would go for same centre and complete the job. Now who is contradicting own sentences.... Dont confuse people man.... better center means centre from the same brand as per posts in the beginning..please read again all posts...

Dont confuse yourself...

Hi guys,

Thanks guys for those inputs and suggestions it has been really helpful till now. What i will do next is go and listen to them and then tell u my feed back.

For the centre i have made up my mind and it is going to be the Sonus for the surrounds i will have to go through the same process as i did for my fronts.

Hey guys Abhi & Sub_boss

This thread is getting hot with each post, and only 5 more posts are required for this thread to recieve the HOT label.

So continue with the debate

Dont confuse yourself...

Dude I didn't get to this statement your's... never mind you relax.

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Dont confuse yourself... Dude I didn't get to this statement your's... never mind you relax. :L

Thats how I felt when you wrote this:

I wrote that because Sachi wrote: Whoever wrote but meant the same... Dont chop off the leading and trailing sentences and then form a opinion.. Please understand that after full stops it's a diffrent sentence and means diffrent.. see for yourself. ....trying to go for a better center (from a different brand) and then checking out whether it matches well the Sonus towers... and this is a seperate post too and means diffrent so no question of chopping off leading and trailing sentences.. so what happened to all that timbre matching of speakers etc.. So it's you who contradicts... -------------------------------- Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center If I were you and I would go for same centre and complete the job. Now who is contradicting own sentences.... Dont confuse people man.... better center means centre from the same brand as per posts in the beginning..please read again all posts...

.it looks to me you just want to pounce into debate nowadays and don't care to read posts.

You are again proving that too many posts are troublesome for you...Ok, take a deep breath and spend some time reading this thread once again all from beginning...If that 7ft long Cobra has not affected your brain then you would certainly find out who was already there in the thread and who pounced in between for a debate.....

Thats how I felt when you wrote this:

My humble suggestion again........please read and post.

I personally feel if budget is a concern and SQ is not too much of a criteria and the looks part is inconsequential then go for a pair of used boom box(mini hifi if u will) speakers...they will do the job. I completely agree to this... Boom box speakers are pretty better than entry level BS or surrounds and what more you get the additonal boom and tizz in rear surround effects...makes movies more enjoyable...jhakaaz DTS surround hoga bhai.... When u are takling abt entry level HT..u really think u would hear a huge differnce in sq?.. You have raised a valid point here.... You cannot diffrentiate much between speakers as much you would ever do with mid level set up's. Sunil I suggest invest your money in a better center and pick up some used boom box speakers for surrounds and upgrade them later... Give more importance to center now.

Dude this what I wrote to sachi's post and it was you who came limping in....

If that 7ft long Cobra has not affected your brain then you would certainly find out who was already there in the thread and who pounced in between for a debate.....

First don't get irrelevant stuff here and second in a public forum there is no ownership of threads and you being early here doesn't make your suggestions right..


Carry on and I'm out for now and you can continue with your self contradictory statements.

You are again proving that too many posts are troublesome for you

What do you mean by proving again ?? and how did you conclude??? Dude you seem to be trying to get out of your normal self.. be yourself to be right,