Plinius distributorship in India

deaf schrieb:

Sure you are correct, and everybody on the mumbai forum knows this.Pritvi and I worked for Cadence in different cities, but never did business together.But I know who you are too, and your entire history from your consultant to BPL days,through your construction material days,and your Danish driver days.I know why you raised this issue,want my transparency about you on the forum DareDevil? Lots of wishes DD we all know who tou are, so please do not take us for fools.Prithvi works hard for his money just like you, so do not insult someone because you had a sour deal with him in the past,when apperently his garage seemed good enough for you to do business from for selling Plinius. Deaf.

You are dead wrong with your guess. I posted about you after knowing 100% who you were. You made a guess, a blind guess. And that's what you are posting in this forum too; messages devoid of any facts and data and based purely on assumptions.

Long way to go my dear friend before you can get to my identity.

Where is any insult here? Just prove the authenticity of Plinius dealership by Absolute Phase - Simple. Why do you continue to shoot in the dark? Let's keep the focus on the real topic going - authenticity of Plinius dealership. Try to have some data behind it and we will be talking at the same frequency. Else you will continue to shoot in the dark with a remote probability of hitting the target. And by the way, please try to control your anger; I know it can be difficult, but certainly possible. Cool down.

deaf schrieb:

Dare_Devil schrieb: Shahrukh schrieb: Sir, As far as I know the dealer has a relationship with the distributor. Not with the manufacturer. Hence, this omits a Plinius - Absolute Phase alliance. It's purely a relationship between SoundSmiths and AP. Check this out http://www.pliniusaudio.com/availability/index.asp Plinius has listed all its worldwide dealers and distributors. So the statement that dealers do not have a relationship with the manufacturer is not true. With Plinus listing all its dealers, it makes all the more compelling reason to know the Plinius - Absolute Phase alliance. Dude you are very blinded with rage.Please read what Shahrukh has written carefully.You are only making a fool of yourself, the link that you posted only shows distributors and not dealers,AP claims to be a dealer, not a distributor,so please think and write.Unless you are mistaking Distributor and Dealer to be the same,which is not the case here. Deaf

I did not know you were such a dud needing me to cut and paste the information from the URL. Now you know who is raged and who is making a fool of himself. As stated in the previous post, please calm dowm. That will help your nerves and you can talk reasonably. Why don't you spend your energy instead in proving that AP is a Plinius dealer rather than repeating like a parrot without knowing the facts?

WORLDWIDE DEALERS & DISTRIBUTORS
Austria
PEAR AUDIO EUROPE D.O.O
Cankarjevo nabreje 15
1000 Ljubljana
Slovenija
Tel 386 1 425 87 95
Fax 386 1 425 87 95
Cel 386 41 711 440
Email pearaudio@volja.net
Web www.pearaudioeurope.si

Australia
PLINIUS AUDIO LIMITED
Attn Mr Peter Thomson
Buderim
Queensland
Australia
Tel 61 7 5477 1312
Email peter.t@pliniusaudio.com

Belgium
JASON S.A.R.L.
388 Chemin des Grives
34170 Castelnau le Lez
France
Tel 33 06 7501 8671
Fax 33 04 6779 0813
Email Jason.Diffusion@wanadoo.fr
Web www.jason-diffusion.com

and the list goes on.

Checked the link. There's no India listing. And why this is the case is sorted out a few posts back. Anyway, this is getting far too personal and I will refrain from any more posts.

For the record, I haven't met either Prithvi or the Soundsmiths guys personally. And hence am not benifitting by taking sides. The only reason I joined this thread is that I myself am on the lookout for a Plinius amp.

No, dead right my friend.However it dosen't matter, as everybody knows who Deaf is.But wouldn't be interesting if I spill the beans on you?No point though,it is of no consequence on this forum.However make no mistake, we all know who you are and why you are doing this,and have spoken on this issue briefly during our Mumbai forum meet, because you only end up making trouble.As far as anger tactics go, I think you are wasting your time.Think of something new, like errr making the worlds best loudspeaker,hey what happened to that one?
Deaf.

deaf schrieb:

No, dead right my friend.However it dosen't matter, as everybody knows who Deaf is.But wouldn't be interesting if I spill the beans on you?No point though,it is of no consequence on this forum.However make no mistake, we all know who you are and why you are doing this,and have spoken on this issue briefly during our Mumbai forum meet, because you only end up making trouble.As far as anger tactics go, I think you are wasting your time.Think of something new, like errr making the worlds best loudspeaker,hey what happened to that one? Deaf.

I can't make head or tail of what you are talking about. Whether you spill the beans or not, it is your choice; Good luck if you get my identity right. I never dreamt of making any speakers, forget about world's best.

I checked each and every name under the list, and it is the same as the one above it,which says distributors.It does not mention a single american dealer except the ditributor.Do you expect me to believe that the whole of north america only has one dealer for Plinius?Not likely.I rest my case.
Deaf

Shahrukh schrieb:

Checked the link. There's no India listing. And why this is the case is sorted out a few posts back. Anyway, this is getting far too personal and I will refrain from any more posts. For the record, I haven't met either Prithvi or the Soundsmiths guys personally. And hence am not benifitting by taking sides. The only reason I joined this thread is that I myself am on the lookout for a Plinius amp.

Sorry if this is not helping the purpose. I never intended this to be personal. I wanted clarity into the Plinius dealership and that's how the thread started. Apparently some folks did not like the transparency I sought for. I will also try to keep my posts as objective as I can.

deaf schrieb:

I checked each and every name under the list, and it is the same as the one above it,which says distributors.It does not mention a single american dealer except the ditributor.Do you expect me to believe that the whole of north america only has one dealer for Plinius?Not likely.I rest my case. Deaf

Then why would Plinius mention "Dealers and Distributors"? Regarding dealership in North America, probably the listed dealer and Plinius can answer. No point assuming.

Jeeves schrieb:

Yes Amp Nut. I understand Absolute sound is getting stocks of Plinius shortly for auditions. Jeeves

Has sold a Plinius SA Reference amplifier to the same client that purchased the Dynaudio Temptation - that is what 'the wind has got to my ears'. I may be wrong, so I
will apologise for that, however that is what is doing the rounds here in Bombay !!!!!!

Bhagwan

Dare_Devil schrieb:

deaf schrieb: I checked each and every name under the list, and it is the same as the one above it,which says distributors.It does not mention a single american dealer except the ditributor.Do you expect me to believe that the whole of north america only has one dealer for Plinius?Not likely.I rest my case. Deaf Then why would Plinius mention "Dealers and Distributors"? Regarding dealership in North America, probably the listed dealer and Plinius can answer. No point assuming.

Exactly my point,the dealership network in any given country is set up by the said country distributor.e.g in USA, where Elite Audio Vision Distribution is the Plinius distributor, and is therefore the only North American name on the Plinius Distributor and Dealer list.However Plinius products have approximately twelve(12) dealers in USA, appointed by Elite Audio Vision Distribution, and therefore not mentioned on the Plinius site, but mentioned of the Elite Audio Vision Distribution site.
Similarly, Soundsmiths will possibly become the Distributors
and therefore will be mentioned on the Plinius site,and AP will become a dealer for Soundsmiths and will not mentioned on the Plinius site but will be mentioned on the Soundsmiths site.
That should clear all doubts.
Deaf.

deaf schrieb:

Exactly my point,the dealership network in any given country is set up by the said country distributor.e.g in USA, where Elite Audio Vision Distribution is the Plinius distributor, and is therefore the only North American name on the Plinius Distributor and Dealer list.However Plinius products have approximately twelve(12) dealers in USA, appointed by Elite Audio Vision Distribution, and therefore not mentioned on the Plinius site, but mentioned of the Elite Audio Vision Distribution site. Similarly, Soundsmiths will possibly become the Distributors and therefore will be mentioned on the Plinius site,and AP will become a dealer for Soundsmiths and will not mentioned on the Plinius site but will be mentioned on the Soundsmiths site. That should clear all doubts. Deaf.

Assuming you are right. Not all customers will need to contact the distributor for service and warranty issues and will need to contact the local authorized dealer and service center for the same. Where is the authorized dealer and service center of Plinius in India? Absolute Phase has neither a showroom, not a service center. If a product goes wrong, will Absolute Phase take responsibility (and expenses) of shipping the product to Mumbai (assuming SS to be the distributor and has a Plinius authorized service center) and getting it repaired? After the warranty, the repair/service costs may be borne by the customer; but what if the product still needs to be shipped elsewhere despite AP's presence as Plinius dealer? An authorized dealer ensures after sales service too. How does AP ensure the same in case of Plinius?

Dare_Devil schrieb:

deaf schrieb: AP is already a dealer in Bangalore for Soundsmiths(SS)a distributor,so once SS distributes Plinius,AP will become a Plinius dealer.Simple. There is no direct AP-Plinius alliance.Bhagwan puts it so simplisticly in his post. Deaf. Simple question - "Does Plinius acknowledge this alliance?" If not, it is fake and meant to dupe. If yes, prove it. Bhagwan or deaf cannot award dealership to AP; Plinius can. So claims other than that of Plinius are null and void.

Hello !! Why are you draging me into this;
I have mearely stated some facts that were known to me.
I care a rats ass who sells Plinius & who buys it. I have never liked the product to begin with. I have always stated that Plinius was an average amplifier at best. A Bryston in a Tuxedo !!!

Nor Deaf or Bhagwan have awarded any dealerships to AP.

Plinius too cannot award any dealerships to any dealer in India. That is the job & perogative of the distributor of a country - in this case - Sound Smiths [Aditya Gupta]. Hence if SS wants to appoint AP or PP [Priyesh Pater] or JK [Jacob] or anyone else, it is an understanding between SS & the local dealer from India. Plinius in not concerned with it & nor does it have any right to direct SS on favour or against any dealer in India.

Well that is how I understand it. Maybe things could be working a little differently now, you see I have been out of touch for a while now, so my information may not be correct - sorry for that !!!

Bhawgan69

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Hello !! Why are you draging me into this; Bhawgan69

Not dragging you. Just a follow up post based on deaf's remark to your statement. Sorry if you felt dragged; not intended.

Ok with regards to sevice,there were Plinius amps being sold in India previously by another agent.Correct me if I am wrong.How did he service these amps is what I want to know.And I am also really keen to know why you did not bring up these issues of sevice and rightful distribution when the previous guy was doing his agency commission work(dalali as you put it).Suddenly why this deal with transparency on your part, when the agency work seems to be slipping away from Junia Suresh Alva,when previously the difference between black and white did not matter to you.This is something we all forum members would honestly like to know from you.If you do not come out clean, then I will raise this issue with the moderators as forum rules are being abused, by bringing personal vendetta on this forum.
Regards Deaf.

Hi All,

Iam a newbie here but not to audio, looks like a juicy conversation is going on.

rockamedi schrieb:

Hi All, Iam a newbie here but not to audio, looks like a juicy conversation is going on.

Welcome dude,do hang around and rock on.
Deaf

deaf schrieb:

Ok with regards to sevice,there were Plinius amps being sold in India previously by another agent.Correct me if I am wrong.How did he service these amps is what I want to know.And I am also really keen to know why you did not bring up these issues of sevice and rightful distribution when the previous guy was doing his agency commission work(dalali as you put it).Suddenly why this deal with transparency on your part, when the agency work seems to be slipping away from Junia Suresh Alva,when previously the difference between black and white did not matter to you.This is something we all forum members would honestly like to know from you.If you do not come out clean, then I will raise this issue with the moderators as forum rules are being abused, by bringing personal vendetta on this forum. Regards Deaf.

Deaf, I am sorry to say you are getting personal again. And I guess your posts are based on a assumption that I am a person you know. Far from it.

First of all, I am not aware if Plinius has been sold by anyone earlier in India at all. This is news to me. I am not saying that it has not been done; at least I am unaware of it. I am member in this forum recently.

Assuming Plinius has been sold earlier in India through Dalaals and you say it was wrong, I will accept it at the face value. However, it is not necessarily true that wrong once done has to be done again because it was done previously. I do not know of any agency or Junia Suresh Alva. This is all greek and latin to me.

As far as I am concerned, I have cleanly stated my intent in the forum - "I want tranparency in the Plinius dealership in India". This issue cannot be termed as a personal vendetta. There is not a single post where I have not emphasised on getting transparency about the Plinius dealership and the services offered by the dealer. It is you who are taking the issue personally and blurring us by posting your assumptions and preventing from discussing about the real issue. You are free to contact the moderators and let them take a call on it.

Let me ask you a question. Do you have any problems if I want to have a discussion in this forum about the following?

1) Who are the authorized Plinius dealers in India?
2) How are they authorized and recognized as Plinius dealers?
3) Do they have authorized showrooms and service centers?
4) Do they give proper and authorized after sales warranty and service support? If so, can it be define what it is?

Do you still think the above questions are due to personal vendetta? If so, why? If not, help us get to the answers.

Dare_Devil schrieb:

Assuming you are right. Not all customers will need to contact the distributor for service and warranty issues and will need to contact the local authorized dealer and service center for the same. Where is the authorized dealer and service center of Plinius in India? Absolute Phase has neither a showroom, not a service center. If a product goes wrong, will Absolute Phase take responsibility (and expenses) of shipping the product to Mumbai (assuming SS to be the distributor and has a Plinius authorized service center) and getting it repaired? After the warranty, the repair/service costs may be borne by the customer; but what if the product still needs to be shipped elsewhere despite AP's presence as Plinius dealer? An authorized dealer ensures after sales service too. How does AP ensure the same in case of Plinius?

deaf schrieb:

Ok with regards to sevice,there were Plinius amps being sold in India previously by another agent.Correct me if I am wrong.How did he service these amps is what I want to know.And I am also really keen to know why you did not bring up these issues of sevice and rightful distribution when the previous guy was doing his agency commission work(dalali as you put it).Suddenly why this deal with transparency on your part, when the agency work seems to be slipping away from Junia Suresh Alva,when previously the difference between black and white did not matter to you.This is something we all forum members would honestly like to know from you.If you do not come out clean, then I will raise this issue with the moderators as forum rules are being abused, by bringing personal vendetta on this forum. Regards Deaf.

Cmon guys, things are getting too personal here. Un-necessarily the topic is being dragged into controversies. I agree that few of the questions put forward by DD is quite valid. Yes, from a consumer point of view these questions should be clearly answered by the dealer (If Prithvi is the one here). Defending such questions with some other controversial questions serves nothing but dragging the topic elsewhere and creating an element of doubt.
Cmon, deaf if you really have an answer to the above mentioned question (and Prithvi is ready to validate your answer) then I think all the members following this thread would be looking forward to you....else please let Prithvi come over and clairify these doubts in a transparent manner.
I live in Bangalore and Prithvi being one of the audio dealers, I am concerned with being open to we consumers.

But please dont try to make the real topic hazzy by cross-questioning alone. I wonder where is Prithvi
He should have been here by now

Welcome dude,do hang around and rock on. Deaf

Thanks deaf.

Dear Dare Devil,

I understand your intention to get transparency, but it seems your thread is being ignored by person who is supposed to be giving you clarification Right!.

I appreciate your extreme proctiveness to get truth and place it before all, then why shout here. Call up the concerned person and you'll get a apt reply and you can post it here for the benefit of all.

First of all you unmasked deaf, now tell us who you are to make things more sensible or else it seems like personal war being waged.

Forget all this nonsense DD, are you interested in buying a Plinius?If yes as you have mentioned,call Plinius and ask them the relevant info.
If not,then why are you bringing this topic of Plinius and AP on the forum?To bring to light something which AP claims and you have doubts about.PM him and ask him.Don't bring it on the forum.Again if you are not interested in the product,then chill and let this issue pass.I have no problems with the 4 questions you have asked,but have a problem when you start bringing people down by taliking about garages,their abilities to sell,integrity and stuff like that.You want to question something,fine.You make bad statements about someones shortcoming due their problems, then it is veryb not fine.
Regards Deaf.

rockamedi schrieb:

Thanks deaf. Dear Dare Devil, I understand your intention to get transparency, but it seems your thread is being ignored by person who is supposed to be giving you clarification Right!. I appreciate your extreme proctiveness to get truth and place it before all, then why shout here. Call up the concerned person and you'll get a apt reply and you can post it here for the benefit of all. First of all you unmasked deaf, now tell us who you are to make things more sensible or else it seems like personal war being waged.

Good suggestion here rock.

I have tried through all direct possible sources to get clarity on this whole Plinius dealership deal. Tough luck as I did not succeed.

My intent was never to unmask anyone. Regarding unmasking deaf, this is the reason.

I sincerely think there is a racket here claiming to be authorized dealers and duping people. Else what was the reason for diverting this topic from the main issue by asking irrelevant questions, accusing, assuming me to be person I am not, etc. I think folks like deaf could have certainly helped answer the questions about transparency if they knew it. If not, was there any need to make this topic personal?

As far as my identity goes, I am a customer who have been duped by such antics of supposed dealers, who promise the moon before purchase and then have no after sales service or warranty support. For the record, I had to spend from my pocket for repairing my audio equipment during warranty after buying from self-acclaimed dealers. Not only that, I also had to ship my product elsewhere without the support of the so called dealer to repair it only to find out later that the dealership was never authorized.

deaf schrieb:

Forget all this nonsense DD, are you interested in buying a Plinius?If yes as you have mentioned,call Plinius and ask them the relevant info. If not,then why are you bringing this topic of Plinius and AP on the forum?To bring to light something which AP claims and you have doubts about.PM him and ask him.Don't bring it on the forum.Again if you are not interested in the product,then chill and let this issue pass.I have no problems with the 4 questions you have asked,but have a problem when you start bringing people down by taliking about garages,their abilities to sell,integrity and stuff like that.You want to question something,fine.You make bad statements about someones shortcoming due their problems, then it is veryb not fine. Regards Deaf.

Whether I buy Plinius or not, it is my choice. But before choosing, I do want to have clarity about what support will I get after I buy and whether the dealer has an authorized showroom and service center.

I was told that AP has aothorized showroom and service center for audio equipments like Plinius and to my utter surprise, I did not see any authorized service center or a showroom upon visiting AP. Hence the question of garage being a showroom. Upon asking, neither did I get any authentic evidence to validate the authorization of the dealershp.

My questions are not nonsense and you too know it. You pretend otherwise only because you don't have answers to the same. Spending lakhs on an audio equipment without asking for authenticity of the dealer and after sales service is indeed nonsense, which is what you are asking me to do.

my my!...u guys really going at it here.

Though i have known Junia(Previous distributor, who's now a very good friend of mine) and Prithvi(present dealer) for quite sometime now, all i can say is that i am glad that there is representaion of different brands in Bangalore.

This can only be good for the general audio scene.
The more brands in the market the better for all.
If after sales support is such a concern then the customer will extrapolate the necessary info from the concerned person before making his/her purchase.We are all well informed people here.

But, let me tell u that i am glad to know that there are places in bangalore where people can go and listen to high end audio without commiting to anything...in other words to just go and have a listen.

I don't want anyone quoting me. I've said all i wanted to on this matter.

Cheerss Everybody...

Sachi

abhi.pani schrieb:

Cmon guys, things are getting too personal here. Un-necessarily the topic is being dragged into controversies. I agree that few of the questions put forward by DD is quite valid. Yes, from a consumer point of view these questions should be clearly answered by the dealer (If Prithvi is the one here). Defending such questions with some other controversial questions serves nothing but dragging the topic elsewhere and creating an element of doubt. Cmon, deaf if you really have an answer to the above mentioned question (and Prithvi is ready to validate your answer) then I think all the members following this thread would be looking forward to you....else please let Prithvi come over and clairify these doubts in a transparent manner. I live in Bangalore and Prithvi being one of the audio dealers, I am concerned with being open to we consumers. But please dont try to make the real topic hazzy by cross-questioning alone. I wonder where is Prithvi He should have been here by now :?

I didn't intend this topic to be personal or controversial. In my opinion, all the members of the forum have the rights to know the transparency of the Plinius dealership. I don't know why some folks have such high level of discomfort with sharing the transparency and want to make this thread murkier by indulging in irrelevant topics.

This thread should not have lasted even 5 posts probably if the answers would have been posted to the questions. After almost 80 threads, I am sure all of us are still groping for the answers.

Savyasaachi schrieb:

my my!...u guys really going at it here. Though i have known Junia(Previous distributor, who's now a very good friend of mine) and Prithvi(present dealer) for quite sometime now, all i can say is that i am glad that there is representaion of different brands in Bangalore. This can only be good for the general audio scene. The more brands in the market the better for all. If after sales support is such a concern then the customer will extrapolate the necessary info from the concerned person before making his/her purchase.We are all well informed people here. But, let me tell u that i am glad to know that there are places in bangalore where people can go and listen to high end audio without commiting to anything...in other words to just go and have a listen. I don't want anyone quoting me. I've said all i wanted to on this matter. Cheerss Everybody... Sachi

I agree with you Savyasaachi here that we have more brands and we can have listen in centers. But claiming listen centers to be authorized dealers, showrooms and service centers is not right. Not everyone may want to start on a note of mis-trust before buying a product. As you rightly pointed out everyone is informed here and should be equipped to make a decision based on information. Question is, are we all getting the correct information to make the right decision? What about the new entrants who can be easily made to believe? Even for the experienced ones, this thread does reflect that there is definite cloud over the cleanliness of the dealerships as none is stating it in black and white.

Dare_Devil schrieb:

This thread should not have lasted even 5 posts probably if the answers would have been posted to the questions. After almost 80 threads, I am sure all of us are still groping for the answers.

Completely agree...

hmm...you do have a point ..i think.
Of course i could'nt care less about the Plinius thing..but in the general scheme of things even if such things were to happen and it does happen a lot in all commercial fields..its upto the customer to make the choice..
Also, if the company is not taking adequate measures to check people from falsifying claims then it speaks volumes about the company. If indeed Ap is not a dealer then its upto the company to take a call on it. U might as well raise this issue with them..and if they deem that AP is wrong in claming so then they will take the appropriate action. Nothing concrete will come out of a discussion like this otehr than really sore moods and sour grapes for us few who who happen to hang around this place purely because of our plssion for music.
Our time can be better spent.

Again beofer u bite my head off..i do agree that u have a valid poitn in there somewhere but this is not the place to resolve this.

Either write to the distributor asking for a confrimation or request the same form the company itself.
and guys..chill its friday.. ahh..can't wait for that scotch.

Cheers,
Sachi

Savyasaachi schrieb:

Nothing concrete will come out of a discussion like this otehr than really sore moods and sour grapes for us few who who happen to hang around this place purely because of our plssion for music. Our time can be better spent.

Agree! Wholeheartedly!

Savyasaachi schrieb:

hmm...you do have a point ..i think. Of course i could'nt care less about the Plinius thing..but in the general scheme of things even if such things were to happen and it does happen a lot in all commercial fields..its upto the customer to make the choice.. Also, if the company is not taking adequate measures to check people from falsifying claims then it speaks volumes about the company. If indeed Ap is not a dealer then its upto the company to take a call on it. U might as well raise this issue with them..and if they deem that AP is wrong in claming so then they will take the appropriate action. Nothing concrete will come out of a discussion like this otehr than really sore moods and sour grapes for us few who who happen to hang around this place purely because of our plssion for music. Our time can be better spent. Again beofer u bite my head off..i do agree that u have a valid poitn in there somewhere but this is not the place to resolve this. Either write to the distributor asking for a confrimation or request the same form the company itself. and guys..chill its friday.. ahh..can't wait for that scotch. Cheers, Sachi

Don't want to bite your head off my dear friend.

I never knew this topic would result in such chaos. I thought this was THE forum for such discussions and getting answers to questions:-). I never posted this for resolution; I posted as a query to know the details.

Fair enough.

Simple Solution;

Call plinius ask them if Soundsmit is the disty or the dealer, and if SS can appoint a dealer on themselves or would plinius be involved in the decision making process?, I'm sure they would clear all your doubts immediately.

Regards,

Satyam.

sbfx schrieb:

Simple Solution; Call plinius ask them if Soundsmit is the disty or the dealer, and if SS can appoint a dealer on themselves or would plinius be involved in the decision making process?, I'm sure they would clear all your doubts immediately. Regards, Satyam.

Is this the solution recommended for all customers? Do the dealers have no onus to be tranparent with the customers?

I dont know about others but it would will surely help you get more transparency on this whole thing.

If I buy any product from a indian dealer or disty, I will make sure I call the manufacturer and have a chat about the product I'm interested in and then go ahead and order , all it takes a phone call costing a couple of hundred bucks and all your apprehensions and doubts are cleared.


Regards,

Satyam.

sbfx schrieb:

I dont know about others but it would will surely help you get more transparency on this whole thing. If I buy any product from a indian dealer or disty, I will make sure I call the manufacturer and have a chat about the product I'm interested in and then go ahead and order , all it takes a phone call costing a couple of hundred bucks and all your apprehensions and doubts are cleared. Regards, Satyam.

Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Probably I started on a wrong footing by assuming the dealers in India are supposed to be transparent as well and share the same with the customers. I can't believe that it is not the case even with such high-end audio costing lakhs of rupees and customers not demanding tranaparency and after sales warranty and support. This certainly is an eye opener for me.

Call up the company DD and get your details.Don't use the forum for personal vendetta.BTW in 2002 Peter Thompson offered me Plinius distributorship in Frankfurt HiEnd,I declined saying Junia was already doing the product.He clearly responded saying 'forget Junia' as he was not the distributor for the product, only somebody who bought a few products.Abhi and Saachi,with all respect to you sirs,I have no clue as to how long you have been in the audio hobby,but I have been doing this for 17 years, from the age of 19.I know every chap in the industry and what he is upto instantly, however much he tries to hide
himself.You may not even know how Junia came by Plinius.It happened due to a forum member of ours who put Junia onto Plinius.I know Junia from the mid 1990s,when he tried selling Dynaudio drivers to Cadence, a decade ago.So dear sirs I know him really well.I will say this,I get along with him just fine,but will not stand for other members being malinged, commercial or otherwise,I won't tolerate that from my best friend.If you have an issue settle it outside the domain of this place,don't use the pitiful guise of discussing ,making aware,transparency etc etc, and that type of bull to bring someone down.We are hardcore industry guys and know when a manufacturer sneezes or a distributor falls down from his staircase,so this dual identity hide and seek is childs play for us,and very thought that it actually is working is laughable.
Regards Deaf.

Probably I started on a wrong footing by assuming the dealers in India are supposed to be transparent as well and share the same with the customers.

No dealer is a saint friend and will recoil from a thread if you abuse their business or business place.

You want truth why not PM him or call him up and find out.
Doodh ka Doodh aur Pani ka Pani

It happened due to a forum member of ours who put Junia onto Plinius

Please tell us who is it?

Dear Rockamedi,
If the person wants to reveal his identity he will do so himslf.I am truly sorry for not cooperating due to my commercial stance.
Regards Deaf.

Dear Deaf,

I don't know why Junia is being dragged into this thread, as far as I have seen him he is a gentle man and I can vouch he would never stoop down to a level of using disguises. To add I have been requesting him through mails to post on this forum from a very very long time and he's too busy to participate. So as long as it's not transparent here or evident let's not talk of someone and hurt them who are no way concerned to this issue.To reinforce my faith that DD is not Junia as you can se DD has been active since two days from morning to evening IST and Junia is abroad where there is a time diffrence of 10-11 hours so ideally he should be in bed when we wail away our time during day .This is my version Dear Deaf , please counter me incase you see some flaws in my statements.

deaf schrieb:

Call up the company DD and get your details.Don't use the forum for personal vendetta.BTW in 2002 Peter Thompson offered me Plinius distributorship in Frankfurt HiEnd,I declined saying Junia was already doing the product.He clearly responded saying 'forget Junia' as he was not the distributor for the product, only somebody who bought a few products.Abhi and Saachi,with all respect to you sirs,I have no clue as to how long you have been in the audio hobby,but I have been doing this for 17 years, from the age of 19.I know every chap in the industry and what he is upto instantly, however much he tries to hide himself.You may not even know how Junia came by Plinius.It happened due to a forum member of ours who put Junia onto Plinius.I know Junia from the mid 1990s,when he tried selling Dynaudio drivers to Cadence, a decade ago.So dear sirs I know him really well.I will say this,I get along with him just fine,but will not stand for other members being malinged, commercial or otherwise,I won't tolerate that from my best friend.If you have an issue settle it outside the domain of this place,don't use the pitiful guise of discussing ,making aware,transparency etc etc, and that type of bull to bring someone down.We are hardcore industry guys and know when a manufacturer sneezes or a distributor falls down from his staircase,so this dual identity hide and seek is childs play for us,and very thought that it actually is working is laughable. Regards Deaf.

Great show deaf. The quality of your posts do reflect your experience in the industry. Although you mentioned 17 years, it does seem like you have been in business for 170 years. Else how can you sniff and recognize the disguises people use.

It seems the real message does not get into your head (or may be ears). You are what your alias is "deaf". With your experience, this forum would have much rather benefited if you could have shared how the dealership works and how can customers be assured of after sales service and warranty support. Instead, you have focussed only on bulls... all through maligning and accusing people based on some assumptions. That probably is the result of your 17 years of experience - intution. You should really feel ashamed of yourself claiming to be having 17 years of experience in hardcore audio industry and misleading this thread intead of helping to get to the answers. Hats off to your experience in deciphering guises making it a child's play. All I can say is that "I really pity your desperation".

Dare_Devil schrieb:

sbfx schrieb: I dont know about others but it would will surely help you get more transparency on this whole thing. If I buy any product from a indian dealer or disty, I will make sure I call the manufacturer and have a chat about the product I'm interested in and then go ahead and order , all it takes a phone call costing a couple of hundred bucks and all your apprehensions and doubts are cleared. Regards, Satyam. Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Probably I started on a wrong footing by assuming the dealers in India are supposed to be transparent as well and share the same with the customers. I can't believe that it is not the case even with such high-end audio costing lakhs of rupees and customers not demanding tranaparency and after sales warranty and support. This certainly is an eye opener for me.

Call the dealer and disty and ask them, if they are not transperent then call plinius.

There are many other high-value businesses where there is lack of transperency ultimatly it depends on the client how they deal with it, its sad but a fact of life

Regards,

Satyam.

rockamedi schrieb:

No dealer is a saint friend and will recoil from a thread if you abuse their business or business place. You want truth why not PM him or call him up and find out. Doodh ka Doodh aur Pani ka Pani

I can understand the hanky-panky all businessmen do for various reasons. To me a question like "Is AP an authorized dealer?" can have only two answers; yes or no. What's there to hide here? Why PM someone? If AP is a dealer, it is for all the customers and not just for me. if I have the rights to ask for transparency, so do all other customers.

No dealer is a saint friend and will recoil from a thread if you abuse their business or business place. You want truth why not PM him or call him up and find out. Doodh ka Doodh aur Pani ka Pani

You should understand that we don't expect anybody to be saint, but does that justify DD's arguement. No! he seems to be pursuing the fact of transparency openly in forum and if he had to PM someone and discuss secretly then where's the meaning for term transparency and finally this thread wouldn't have existed to take pearls of wisdom from you.

Why should I be ashamed of anything?I have never bad mouthed anybody on the forum like you have.Everybody knows me, and many of them do business with me.If anything is shameful,it is the way the forum is being used by people to settle personal vendettas under silly excuses.As with regards to being Deaf,please go through the forum regularly,you will realise I don't need to prove a point to anybody with regards to my audio abilities, least of all you.This transparency thread wasn't started because you are buying,it was started because you are crying.PLINIIIUSSS boohoohoo.
HAHAHAHA way to go Aditya and all the best Prithvi,if you pull this one off.
VEERRYY DEEAAAFF.

P.S;: Thank you DD for the entertainment over 2 days,now it has gotten boring,time to log on to another thread.HEHEHEHE.

Why should I be ashamed of anything?I have never bad mouthed anybody on the forum like you have.Everybody knows me, and many of them do business with me.If anything is shameful,it is the way the forum is being used by people to settle personal vendettas under silly excuses.As with regards to being Deaf,please go through the forum regularly,you will realise I don't need to prove a point to anybody with regards to my audio abilities, least of all you.This transparency thread wasn't started because you are buying,it was started because you are crying.PLINIIIUSSS boohoohoo. HAHAHAHA way to go Aditya and all the best Prithvi,if you pull this one off. VEERRYY DEEAAAFF. P.S;: Thank you DD for the entertainment over 2 days,now it has gotten boring,time to log on to another thread.HEHEHEHE.

Hey dude don't go away like that..Even you were very entertaining .... Don't go away please come back.

deaf schrieb:

Why should I be ashamed of anything?I have never bad mouthed anybody on the forum like you have.Everybody knows me, and many of them do business with me.If anything is shameful,it is the way the forum is being used by people to settle personal vendettas under silly excuses.As with regards to being Deaf,please go through the forum regularly,you will realise I don't need to prove a point to anybody with regards to my audio abilities, least of all you.This transparency thread wasn't started because you are buying,it was started because you are crying.PLINIIIUSSS boohoohoo. HAHAHAHA way to go Aditya and all the best Prithvi,if you pull this one off. VEERRYY DEEAAAFF. P.S;: Thank you DD for the entertainment over 2 days,now it has gotten boring,time to log on to another thread.HEHEHEHE.

Why are you getting frustrated with my insistence on transparency? Escaping from the answers and this thread will not help get to the truth.

What you are doing in the forum is there for all to see. Are your posts not worthy of note by the moderators?

If you are such a capable and proven person, can you please tell us how the dealership works and how the after sales service and warranty are provided by dealers like you? Or do you support folks claiming to be an authorized dealer without basic infrastructure like showroom and service centers and maintaining their customers relations only till selling and pocketing money? At least from the quality of your posts, it does appear that AP and you share the same business ethics. Do you have the guts to stand up and tell the truth? Are you man enough to say that majority of the self-acclaimed dealers are just commissioned agents (dalaals) with no commitment to customers after the sale of the products?

This discussion becomes confusing at times....

Whats going on in India basically is this

Distributor -> Dealer -> end user

Sometimes one just has
-> Dealer -> end user
-> Authorised Reseller -> end user
-> Reseller/retailer -> end user

We all know official service centres are rare, servicing of products is sometimes a nightmare(a friend is going thru one right now) and warranties are sometimes not worth the paper they are written on as people find ways and means to wrangle out of them. All that said, one just needs to be carefull with whom you deal with. Treat it like an investment you would make....be aware of the returns on your investment. Some dont care and some do.

On the "transparency issue", DD trust me it will come....the industry will have to be transparent to the consumer if it is not already. Competition will ensure that. Consumer demand will ensure that.

What the market needs is a few more good brands brought in by new entrants to avoid a possible nexus and things will fall in place. People who are not transparent will pay for their lack of it. Happens in all industries...why should this be any different ?

I long for the day when I walk in to audio showroom/shop/loft...whatever and I see/hear products but I am also proudly shown concrete evidence of a service backup. No one can hold all their cards close to ones chest for long, someone will have to play a trump and I am hoping the trump is "warranties and service".

Manek.

Yes Manek you are right yet again....
Just look at this..

First of all this thread started off as a query (regarding plinius dealership and after sales service) but it has been dragged to almost 100 posts saying that its a personal vendetta. I dont understand how can a personal vendetta drag to 100 posts without both the parties present here individually
Today if I start something against SUB_BOSS in another thread, will it even reach 20 posts if SUB_BOSS doesnt reply ????

Prithvi is no where here.......he should have been here to clear off the doubts and close the discussion but no..
Personally I get along with him well so there is no personal vendetta between us but I find the queries made by DD very genuine. Two of my friends have lost their electronics even when those were under warranties..not that the dealer was not interested to help them but because the dealer was not equipped enough (technically) to help them.
Though these cases were not connected with AP but still these dealers were similar to AP, being local people of Bangalore and running a shop at their homes (no harm in that, if they are well equipped though). So the question is instead of Prithvi coming and clarifying it once for all why other commercial members (Like Deaf) are doing rounds around the issue without answering that one query about after sales service ?
Cmon Deaf, no offence to you but whether you have 17 years of experience or 17 days of experience, how does it help in this particular thread when you dont have an answer to the most fundamental query being asked here (regarding after sales service) ? If you dont have the answer, then let the concerned person speak (Prithvi in this case), why create fatigue in the thread by asking irrelevant questions (not connected to the basic query at all) ?

Once and for all Where is Prithvi, why doesnt he answer?

Yes abhi,

A few of my friends have had problems with after sales service as well, nothing new. Read my earlier post in detail and you will know why there are no answers to the questions asked.

Manek.