new home theatre

hey kelw,
thatn really is a 'kewl ' budget to work with.
and welcome to the forum. u came to the right place.
so let me get it straight that u do not have anything, i mean not even a DVD player and want to go for a complete new system.
well, its a shame that u can't go for a plasma or LCD tv.
i really like the Phillips Lcd Tv and i don't think u get HDTV in the Projection TV
wil a projector be acceptable? since u say that u have more than wenough space..let me give u a piece of advice...no matter how goo dthe sound is the bigger the screen the bigger and better the experience.
So let me know what u think...also keep in mind that u will need to replace the lamp of the projector every 5000 viewing hours or so depending on the company..but if u are game for it then we can start their.
First fix up the budget as to how much u are ready to spend on a Wide screen tv(also think abt whether u want the 16:9 widescreen version projecton TV or the normal 4:3 Tv aspect ratio).Then we can start talking abt the sound system and the dvd player.
Cheers,
Ben

hello.. thanks for the quick reply !!

i can also go for a projector i think... i also saw sum sony grand wega screens which looked nice on the website..i m planin to pay them a visit in a couple of days !!... and regarding space i meant to say that its not worth spending so much on the plasma... the room i will be using is approx 13 * 10 feet.

on the t.v. i think 3 will be fine but if it is a projector then it wud be less and my budget will come down !! and rest( 3 on tv and .75-1 on sound) on the sound...and for the dvd player any decent would do...and i would go for the 16:9 widescreen ..
so i think we can start now !
thnx

well, i can give u some suggestions regarding the projectors but keep in mind that u will get recurring costs because of teh lamp(but for every 3000 to 5000 operating hours depending on manufacturer).
first choice would be Hitachi(1.7 lac) then optoma(1.2 lac). other than these u can take a look at infocus and Benq.
i'll get back to u later. got o go out now.
Cheers,
ben

oki...can u tell me the model of the projector and what would be the approximate cost of the lamp. and waiting for other replies !!
thnx

Hi Kewl,
With the budget you have mentioned, I really feel sorry about your room size as it will not do justice to your equipments.....but anyway!

I have a small query, why do you want to go for a wide screen T.V ? AS far as I know, we dont have widescreen signals in India !!! So why are you inclined for them ?

Dont worry about the HT, once you are clear about your budget for the T.V/Projector, it would be easy to come up with a good HT....

BTW did you go around any of the stores to check out HT systems ?

hi abhi..
i thought of the 16:9 format because of the movies...like dvd's and all.. Are 16:9 dvd's easily available in india or 4:3 are more common.. For the sound ..i went to the onkyo showroom .. i checked out the ht-s570 and ht-s670..but the sales person told me tht with the kind of room i have the ht-s570 will be absoloutely fine..and i also thought the same !! which other companies should i check out.. and will a 5.1 or 6.1 system be apt. ? i asked the sales person he told me tht 5.1 will be gud enough becoz rite now only 5.1 dvd's are available and 6.1 will take a lot of time... and when 6.1 dvd's are the only contenders then you can change the receiver of your system and add the speaker...

thanks
kewl

About the DVD formats availability, In India it is the 4:3 format which is common.

For the HT setup, you did the obvious that any one would do, "Visit to a Onkyo showroom"....the reply you got from them is also obvious "All Crap"........

I agree that your room size is small but an HTS570 would be the last thing to buy with your kind of budget.....

As far as 5.1 or 6.1 is concerned, I would recommend a 7.1 AV Reciever with a 5.1 Speaker setup...

Or you can go for a complete THX setup with 7.1 AV Reciever and 7.1 THX Certified Speaker......

Since your room size is small, a basic 5.1 would do very well in seperating out music from different channels. Ultimately that is what, makes the HT so exciting. But a 7.1 AV reciever is recommended so that you can just add 2 more speakers whenever you have a bigger room.

Also the price difference between 5.1 and 7.1 AVRs is not much, so why not keep some room for upgradability.

For good HT setups, try Brands like Jamo, Kef, Definitive Technology (Definitive are well known for HT)..

BTW where are you placed at ?

abhi wrote :

For good HT setups, try Brands like Jamo, Kef, Definitive Technology (Definitive are well known for HT)..

Klipsch too does very well for a HT

hie..thanks for the info... i will also look for 7.1 rcvrs!!
and the other brands like jamo, denon, klipsch.. where can i see a demo.. i put up in delhi.. and also hows sonodyne...and i will go for the 4:3 format then ...

Sonodyne is good...but...with the kind of budget you have, you can opt for better products....

When I say better products, it is not only brand but I really mean better sound quality and effects.
Since your room is not big so you have to choose something which gives you good attacking as well as detailed sound without sounding BOOMY or tiresome....

For such performance you got to go for a better product than Sonodyne....

And Yes, even Klipsch are good but dont know how they would perform in smaller rooms.....
(Happy Sub_Boss ??) !!!!

hey
yu can also take auditions in the jbl- harmon kardo showroom in gk1-and check out the plasma displays again in gk1-
can tell yu the locations if yu plan to go-

r
anirvan

For your budget you can go for Klipsh completet synergy series and with it's high efficiency all u need is 25 watt into 5 receiver..will blow your house............

hey man Abhi,
don't give out wrong information.
all the DVD i have(English) are widescreen format and i have over 40 english and arnd 10-15 hindi dvds'
ususlly hindi DVD are 4:3 but that won't matter much if u go for a projector ..however, it may trouble u if u are into a lot of Hindi movies tehn maybe a 4:3 is what u need.
but anyday for HT the widescreen takes precedence.
it would be a shame to see someone with ur kind of budget settling for a 4:3 ratio screen
Cheers,
Ben

p.s: give me some time and i will get u more info regarding the course u can take. give u some info regarding projectors tonight.

I might be wrong there but what about regular T.V viewing.....how will you do it on a 16:9 screen ?
It would would look so odd..

Abhi all 16:9 have the option of 4:3 viewing as some 4:3 have 16:9...( but doesn't make an impact or else why would we need 16:9)So normal viewing is not marred..

Hmmmmm.....have you tried that ?

it would be odd but i still say that for regular TV iewing nothing can beat a 'very good'(read 80k plus) 29 inch colour TV(CRT). it is actually better than the plasma and LCD Tvs.
Cheers,
Ben

Do you mean 80k pixels ?

What are the popular brands who make such high resolution T.Vs ?
How is the pricing ?

hmm.. okiii..

this HT system i will mainly use for movies .. that is why i thought 16:9... and more of english movies !! and if 16:9 have 4:3 option then 16:9 will be the choice !!
and anivaran were wud be the jbl showroom ..and how are and how much will be yamaha receivers (6.1 and 7.1)!! and wht abt onkyo receivers ( 6.1 and 7.1 ..no THX ones) ..and also were wud i able to c denon..
i m so confused rite now !! wid so many options and brands

...thanks a lot guyss

i would personally go for the Onkyo 702 or the Yamaha Rx-v1500 or the 2500 models for HT.
they are excellent.
i would suggest that u go for a projector and buy a decent speaker setup for arnd 1.5 lac and keep arnd 20k for the Dvd player.
another 60 to 70k for the receiver.(for ultimate in 5.1 receivers i would suggest the Rotel 1065 orr something receiver. it is only 5.1 but it is an absolute monster of a receiver.)
will give more info later.
Cheers,
Ben

hmm.ben..

but like wht wud be the cost of the lamp of the projectors!! becoz tht will matter in the long run !! and which projector.. i will check out the yamaha oness..

meant the yamaha receivers..ne idea abt their cost !!
thnx

hey kewl-

the jbl/harman showroom is opposite the sony world on the main gk1 road (M block road) and theres a hitachi plasma showroom as yu turn towards the archana complex-above baskin robbins -try

anirvan

oki..wil chek them out

As for the AVR, I would suggest Marantz or a NAD......

I have auditioned Marantz AVR 5500/5600, they are excellent in detailing and the sound is well under control. They are not laidback but they are not outright bright like an Onkyo either....

Since the room size is small, they would be one of the best options. You will get very detailed sound without that overkill/overpowering kind of effects. Again I would stress that Marantz PM-5600 is NOT LAIDBACK. They have a characteristic sound and they keep things in control. You can very easily push up the volume without any irritation and enjoy movies for long durations getting all the thrill out of them.

I know HT require attacking sound but looking at the room size, Marantz would provide the best balance between attack and detailing.

One more thing they sound good in Stereo Mode too !!!

They retail at around 40k (7.1 channel).

I havent tried NAD but have read a lot of reviews regarding their performance.

if u can go for the Denon 3805 then do so.
it is probably the best among all the receivers for the asking price that have beeen suggested by me or by other memebrs.
It is THE receiver to have for HT.
u can go buy better ones like the very high end Yamaha ones(9.1) or go for the Sunfire's The ultimate receiver(Yeha that's their product name ).
however, if u wish to stick to the lower end of receivers then i still say u better go for the Yamaha rx-v2500.
it is too good for the price.(arnd 55-60k).
Cheers,
Ben

hello ben how about using my speakers for surround sound...
because the upper freq extension is about 30khz so my speakers can use the true potential of DVD audios as well and also movie experience.

I dont thing any speaker for this price of Rs18,500 with 6.5 inch midbass gives ultimate experience I have recently checked this with the matrix revolutions and I have got excellent resutlts. Treble was very very awesome along with the mids.

I think this guy can use these speakers for good sound. What do u say?

well ben I have got good orders up here and the requirement is going on and most of the customers are intrested in using such highend speakers for surround sound.
For surround sound I want to place the port in the front.
One guy said that such feq extension for just 18,500 per pair...hmmm great!!! I am getting good feedback ben..

good for u Sandeep.
Keep us posted on things that delvelop.
I still would want to audition ur speakers even if it is at a customrr's place. Am willing to pick up ideas from anyone who so that i can adapt them to my own speakers.
Btw for Baffle step compensation u can use this software.
http://www.tolvan.com/edge/help.htm
Cheers,
Ben

thnks guys..
but first i think i will decide the display thing...
projector or projection t.v. ... coz after tht i will go for the sound part and its cost...

so in a couple of days i will check out sony... and also hitachi projectors..

very good. U do that. i think the replacement lamps cost arnd 5-8k depending on the company. but with 3000 to 5000 hours of life for one lamp i doubt if u will find the need to change it for atleast 3-4 years(that's considering that u watch a lot of Movies!). mind u i would not recommend u to go for a projector for ordinary TV viewing. for that i feel a decent 29inch television will more than suffice.
Cheers,
Ben

thanks ben..
i already have a 32" sony in my room.. but for the HT.. i want atleast 55- 60" .. and do have any idea about the sony Grand Wega televisions... like whts the diff between projection screen and grand wega..

and regardsing the movies...i dont watch much .. so i think it wud work for 3-4 yrs..and is there sumthing like..if the lamp gets old like for 1 yr the picture quality gets reduced..

no nothing like that. the picture quality is not affected for 1 or 2 years.
it will be affected towarsd the end of the lamp life.
Cheers,
Ben

kewl I think it would be better if you go for DLP projectors since it has lots of advantages then the LCD ..littile bit expensive but gives ultimate result...

As far as the sound part is concerned I can give highend speakers.. just mail me to sandeepsonic2006@yahoo.com and we can discuss regarding that through mail...

One of my customers Hometheater setup for the room size of 40 x 50 see how I provided the preview of his room for the complete home theater with the speakers.

check this link for the image that was developed in 3d

http://img284.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenviewjpeg7nf.jpg
If you want any detials I can provide you the complete stuff..

best regards,
Sandeep

thanks .i will c the projectors.. then let u know..

and i will get back to u sandeep once my display is desided..

ok kewl..nice hunting regarding projectors

Hi Kewl,

You don't need to worry so much about the lamp life. Many of the new projectors have a lamp life of 5000 hrs. So if you watch 3 movies a week, your usage is around 6 hrs a week or 312 hrs a year. At that rate, theoretically a 5000 hr rated lamp should last you about 16 years, or a 3000 hr one over 9 years.

When I bought mine, lamps had a 2000 hr life, and even after 5 odd years, it seems to be working fine.

Cheers

thnks..
can u tell me sum gud projector brands and models and approx. price !!

What sort of a budget do you have for the projector?

Big_ears i hope am not butting here but i want to know what distance i need to place the projector if i have it ceiling mounted.
since i am buiding a new room i want to know what kind of wiring has to be done and how far should the projector be awya fromt he wal.
Cheers,
Ben

also can u suggest any Projectors for me whihc are available i Dubai. i want to know what the difference will be if i buy one from there. it is much easier to have a projector brought in from dubai than a 50 inch or so PLasma or LCD tv.
Cheers,
Ben

Kewl go to projectorcentral.com for info on projectors.
do so after big_ears has given his suggestions. Listen to him.
Cheers,
Ben

hey big ears..
my budget wud be 1.75-2 for the projector...

Mine is a Sanyo, weighing about a ton in its stockinged feet. I place it on a self designed stand, just behind the seating area. To get a diagonal screen size of a little over 7 feet, with good focus, I need to place it about 14 feet from the wall. This will ofcourse, vary from model to model, but the newer ones can be placed closer.

hey kewl go tto this site. u will get an idea abt the hitachi projectors and their indicative prices in India.
http://soundnvisionhifi.com/product_categories/PROJECTORS.htm
Cheers,
Ben
the one i am looking at is the Hitachi CPX-328
Cheers,
Ben

oki big..
my room length is 13' so the projector can be placed like 12' away..

and ben i am goin to the site..2 mins

Big ears, if u can, please help me too.
my room length is abt 16 feet 3 inches and the width is 12 feet dead
the height is also 10 feet clear.
Cheers,
Ben

Kewl, something like the Infocus X3 (USD 1200 mrsp) can give you a diagonal screen size of 78 inches at 12 ft distance. Seating can be 7-11 ft from the wall.

Benks, at a distance of 14.5 ft you would get a diagonal screen size of 94 inches. Seating would be 9-14 feet away.

For home use, and for the price, Infocus seems pretty good. I understand the grey market price in Bangalore to be very reasonable. Try checking with your sources.

Cheers