Cadence Amaya and Cadence VA1-HP

Isn't Amaya the model which is the diva + electrostatic unit or is it the Anina ?

What are you upgrading to ?

A bigger and Better version of the Anina.
This is not an UPGRADE sale. I have moved and not feasible for me to carry them along with me.
I will go for a smaller set up which I move around with.
Will let you know what I end up with. But this decision has taken a good 5 months (a huge reluctance from the Lady...she says it sings better than me).
It took a lot of research on other amps and then heard this amp after being persuaded by Bhagwan and Max and this was the most perfect fit I could...They are beautiful together.
Waiting...
Regards
HP

How is this model different to the Avita ?
The Anina use an 8 inch driver right ? Does the Amaya use a 10 inch driver ?

square_wave schrieb:

How is this model different to the Avita ? The Anina use an 8 inch driver right ? Does the Amaya use a 10 inch driver ?

SW

The Amaya is not similar to the Avita.

It is similar to the Arca in terms of Driver size. Both have 11 inch Woofers and similar sized Tweeters

Anina is similar to the Arista in terms of Driver sizes (8 inch Woofers).

But please note that the similarity between the 2 lines ends here. The sonics etc. are totally different.

Max

MAX....was the only guy who told me the sonics were different and they were apart ...
Amaya is LOVELY...(mind you ...with the VA1-HP/VA1..its insane)
its a very very good combination...
Cadence demo room with VA1-HP and Arista's didn't impress (different tone)....the guys were of the opinion that the VA1-HP with Amaya will sound similar to Arista...and I was very very very reluctant to carry the Heavy amp over to my place to test it out...I am so glad I listened to Bhagwan and Max on this...
Glorious...
Now I am reluctant to sell it.
HerculePirate

When I meant the Sonics are different I did not mean one is better than the other. But they sound positively different. Which of the 2 lines one prefers is a personal choice.

Similarly IMHO in the Avita/Arista/Arca range the situation is not that the bigger the model the better the sound. I personally loved the Avita but did not find the Arista that impressive. But the Arca was a different story.

Having owned the Ameya( 2 pairs )speakers for over 10 years one thing I can tell you is Neutral they are not...but.. what they are is absolute FUN to listen to and isn't that what all this boils down to?

I miss my Ameyas.

maxcoutinho schrieb:

Having owned the Ameya( 2 pairs )speakers for over 10 years one thing I can tell you is Neutral they are not...but.. I miss my Ameyas.

Yes;
Cadence has a 'house sound'
You say you shall miss the Ameya's
How so ? Have you changed them ?
What you have is better ?

I personally liked the 'older Arca'
The new Gen V or Gen VI is 'nice sounding' but too big & rather haavy. Tries to do too much. The 'finess' is lost somewhere.

maxcoutinho schrieb:

When I meant the Sonics are different I did not mean one is better than the other. But they sound positively different. Which of the 2 lines one prefers is a personal choice. Similarly IMHO in the Avita/Arista/Arca range the situation is not that the bigger the model the better the sound. I personally loved the Avita but did not find the Arista that impressive. But the Arca was a different story. Having owned the Ameya( 2 pairs )speakers for over 10 years one thing I can tell you is Neutral they are not...but.. what they are is absolute FUN to listen to and isn't that what all this boils down to? I miss my Ameyas.

So you have two lines in the cadence hybrid range right ?
The Arca, arista and Avita are one. And the other is the Anina, Amaya line. What are the essential differences between these two lines ? One thing I can see is that the Anina , Amaya range is like an extension of the Diva speaker. Essentiality the same cabinet with an electrostatic unit.
The cadence website is pathetic. They should do something about it.

The cabinet part may look similar between diva, anina, amaya.

Driver compliment is different between amaya and anina and they are also rated differently hence would tell us that internal volume and construction is different.

The diva and anina are also rated differently hence would be different internally. Anina would have a larger internal volume.

The crossovers would be different as well for all 3 and so would be in the inter structural bracing.

The website :-)
Manek

square_wave schrieb:

So you have two lines in the cadence hybrid range right ? The Arca, arista and Avita are one. And the other is the Anina, Amaya line. What are the essential differences between these two lines ? One thing I can see is that the Anina , Amaya range is like an extension of the Diva speaker. Essentiality the same cabinet with an electrostatic unit. The cadence website is pathetic. They should do something about it.

Cadence started with ES-1 , based on the prototype speaker made by 'Shanti'. ES-1 was a big, fat , square box with a ES panel on top. Shanti later designed a dynamic speaker (w/o ES panel) DS later called as DIVA, this time he tried some different shape , bottom half of the speaker body was typical square while upper half is slanted backwards. Shanti then carried out the same theme for ES-1 and named it as 'AMAYA' (MK-1) . That followed ANINA (to cater small room sizes).

Shanti then completed 'ARCA" the flagship speaker from Cadence line of products. This time he experimented more on forms, shapes as well as materials.

Success of ARCA , prompted Shanti to redesign other ES speakers, for reasons:

1> Get rid of boxy shape, make product look more attractive especially to European customers
3> Incorporate better material for less resonance and better shape for better timings

So AVIATA replaced ANINA and ARISTA replaced AMAYA.

But that resulted into changes sonics , both AVITA and ARISTA use smaller woofers. ARISTA and AVITA are less sensitive than ANINA and AMAYA. However AVITA and ARISTA are faster and better integrated and look stunning!


Cadence decided to continue with ANINA and AMAYA (now made to order) .

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

square_wave schrieb: So you have two lines in the cadence hybrid range right ? The Arca, arista and Avita are one. And the other is the Anina, Amaya line. What are the essential differences between these two lines ? One thing I can see is that the Anina , Amaya range is like an extension of the Diva speaker. Essentiality the same cabinet with an electrostatic unit. The cadence website is pathetic. They should do something about it. Cadence started with ES-1 , based on the prototype speaker made by 'Shanti'. ES-1 was a big, fat , square box with a ES panel on top. Shanti later designed a dynamic speaker (w/o ES panel) DS later called as DIVA, this time he tried some different shape , bottom half of the speaker body was typical square while upper half is slanted backwards. Shanti then carried out the same theme for ES-1 and named it as 'AMAYA' (MK-1) . That followed ANINA (to cater small room sizes). Shanti then completed 'ARCA" the flagship speaker from Cadence line of products. This time he experimented more on forms, shapes as well as materials. Success of ARCA , prompted Shanti to redesign other ES speakers, for reasons: 1> Get rid of boxy shape, make product look more attractive especially to European customers 3> Incorporate better material for less resonance and better shape for better timings So AVIATA replaced ANINA and ARISTA replaced AMAYA. But that resulted into changes sonics , both AVITA and ARISTA use smaller woofers. ARISTA and AVITA are less sensitive than ANINA and AMAYA. However AVITA and ARISTA are faster and better integrated and look stunning! Cadence decided to continue with ANINA and AMAYA (now made to order) .

Thanks for the very concise but informative tale about the speaker lines
I wish the website incorporates stuff like these.
Frankly the cadence electrostatic line is quite confusing for the beginner

bhagwan69 schrieb:

maxcoutinho schrieb: Having owned the Ameya( 2 pairs )speakers for over 10 years one thing I can tell you is Neutral they are not...but.. I miss my Ameyas. Yes; Cadence has a 'house sound' You say you shall miss the Ameya's How so ? Have you changed them ? What you have is better ? I personally liked the 'older Arca' The new Gen V or Gen VI is 'nice sounding' but too big & rather haavy. Tries to do too much. The 'finess' is lost somewhere. :P

I have to agree with you here. I too much preferred the older Arca sound.

Out of the various Cadence speakers that I have owned ( Diva, Ameya, Anina, Avita ) I miss the Ameyas the most coz they just sound so big and bold. Now if you were to measure the tonality of the instruments etc. then they are not perfect, however the openness and imaging of the speakers is quite addicting. I had the Arista for some days but disliked them so much that gave them back and got the Avitas. The Avitas I lived with happliy for quite some time but had to sell them off in order to accomodate the system into a more Room friendly environment. I needed speakers that did not need too much space behind them unlike the Cadence speakers.

I now use the Wilson Benesch ARC speakers along with a REL Storm 5 Sub. This combo in my opinion beats the Cadence speakers in terms of speed,accuracy and overall tonality.

square_wave schrieb:

maxcoutinho schrieb: When I meant the Sonics are different I did not mean one is better than the other. But they sound positively different. Which of the 2 lines one prefers is a personal choice. Similarly IMHO in the Avita/Arista/Arca range the situation is not that the bigger the model the better the sound. I personally loved the Avita but did not find the Arista that impressive. But the Arca was a different story. Having owned the Ameya( 2 pairs )speakers for over 10 years one thing I can tell you is Neutral they are not...but.. what they are is absolute FUN to listen to and isn't that what all this boils down to? I miss my Ameyas. So you have two lines in the cadence hybrid range right ? The Arca, arista and Avita are one. And the other is the Anina, Amaya line. What are the essential differences between these two lines ? One thing I can see is that the Anina , Amaya range is like an extension of the Diva speaker. Essentiality the same cabinet with an electrostatic unit. The cadence website is pathetic. They should do something about it.

SW,

You are correct, Cadence has 2 speaker lines. Each will appeal to a different group of listeners. I like the Ameya, Anina range for accoustic music while I perferred the Avita range for Jazz and Vocal. But then again this IMHO. You will need to listen to them to make up your mind which sounic signature you prefer.

Yes, the Website always was, is and forever will be pathetic. So many people have pointed this out to them and some even offered to develop one for them for the sake of the audiophile community but to no avail. I have unsuccessfully tried to understand this logic over the last 10 years or so.

Max

MAX's assessment on speed, accuracy and overall tonality is spot on.

Amaya and Arista are real big cats needing quite a large room to play around. In a typical Indian standard listening room (also doing double duty as a Living room) both these guys will certainly over power.

Even with ANINAs that I own, I am finding my listening room of 13 x 15 is quite inadequate.

ANINA has got a plus point that it can go all the way down to 28 HZ making any sub woofer redundant.

Given the recent price hike , Cadence products are no longer VFM , now facing severe challenges from some competent international brands ProAc, Focal JM lab just to name a few.

Cadence did mistake in hiking ARITA's price (50K to 100K for nothing ???) now Dyna 52 at 5X K (or less?) is suddenly became more attractive proposition.

In recent times several customers had quality issues. But one thing is sure, being an Indian company Service support is available and that is still a plus point for Cadence.

Cadence Amaya and VA1

----Sold---

herculepirate schrieb:

Cadence Amaya and VA1 ----Sold---

Superb;

Now for the next step !!

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

Amaya and Arista are real big cats needing quite a large room to play around. In a typical Indian standard listening room (also doing double duty as a Living room) both these guys will certainly over power.

Hmm, revving an old thread. I own Arista speakers and listen them in a 12' x 18' living room. They sound so good, certainly not overpowering.

Guess what, I do not listen to Jazz, Carnatic or Hindustani but Hard Rock and Western Classical.