CADENCE Demo in Bangalore

Hi Jochen !

Where in Delhi can I audition Cadence? What are the indicative prices of various models or Cadence speakers & amps.?

Regards

Sanjay

goolimangala schrieb:

Dear Friends of HighEnd Audio, I am glad to inform you that there will be a demo show of CADENCE Loudspeakers and Amplifiers at Hotel Taj Westend Bangalore on Sunday, October 1. 2006. Cadence's flagship system ARCA and CANASYA, as well as the reference turntable SME 20 will be ready for auditioning. Of course, all cabling will be SILTECH CABLES only. Other products will be on static display. This is a preliminary information for you to mark that day in your calender. As soon as timings and other details are known to me, I'll inform you. Looking forward to meet you on that day. Kind regards, Jochen Semler CADENCE - Bangalore Listening Room Smilee Greens Layout - Estate Club Huskur Road, Bangalore - 560 099 Ph.: 080 - 27835721 Mobile: 9845534952 eMail: j.semler@vsnl.com

Hi Guys,

Finally time and venue are set. The event will take place on October 1st. at 5 pm at Hotel Taj Westend Bangalore, Senate Room. Everybody is invited to listen to one of the world's state of the art HighEnd Audio Systems.
Looking forward to meet you on that day.

Regards,
Jochen Semler

I really envy the banglore people....!

manek.

Hi !

Can I pose a difficult question? But I am looking for an honest & objective answer.

How would you rate & rank Cadence Speakers in the international arena?

Please note that I'm not a cynic, I'm more of patriotic but here I would like see an unemotional view

Regards

Sanjay

Damn! why do all the good things happen when I'm not in town?

I missed two forum meets and now this...

soulforged schrieb:

Damn! why do all the good things happen when I'm not in town? I missed two forum meets and now this... :|

Don't worry, the speakers and amps shall be with me at the listening room for some time after the show. You can come along for an audition. Please contact me.

Regards,
Jochen

SDhawan schrieb:

Hi ! Can I pose a difficult question? But I am looking for an honest & objective answer. How would you rate & rank Cadence Speakers in the international arena? Please note that I'm not a cynic, I'm more of patriotic but here I would like see an unemotional view Regards Sanjay

Hi Sanjay,

really difficult question. But here in India they reign supreme. Why? 1. Not many brands are officially available. 2. Value for money of Cadence products is unbeatable. I don't think that there are other brands available here, which, in the same price segment, can outperform Cadence. It's very simple: be Indian buy Indian, provided that the quality meets international standards like in the case of Cadence. There is a lot of very good stuff around in USA, Europe, Japan and even China. But once it's brought into the country it's not worth buying, unless it's a product in a price segment which Cadence does not offer, such as the entry level HighEnd market. Shipping cost + import duties + distributer's margin make other gear from abroad simply too expensive. That is my opinion.
I think Cadence can be really proud that they have come to that level. And now even going international by aquiring a major stake in one of the most reputed HighEnd companies (Siltech Cables). Wow, that is really something!!!!! The whole HighEnd community here in India can be proud of that.

Regards,
Jochen

P.S. I heard from the office in Pune that you will soon meet up with a Cadence owner in Delhi for an auditioning. Please let us know about your enounter with Cadence.

Thanks Joschen !

I agree that here in India Cadence is at the top (for want of competition ).

I am more interested in knowing where do they rank when pitched against the international brands - top 5, top 10, etc.? I'm sure this comparision will help others and many would switch to Cadence in preference to others.

Regards

Sanjay

I remember reading a review of the Arcas many years ago where the reviewer said something like 'Indian Cadence is a serious contender to the rank of the world's best speakers!'

SDhawan schrieb:

Thanks Joschen ! I agree that here in India Cadence is at the top (for want of competition ). I am more interested in knowing where do they rank when pitched against the international brands - top 5, top 10, etc.? I'm sure this comparision will help others and many would switch to Cadence in preference to others. Regards Sanjay

That again is a very difficult question. From what I had auditioned sofar, I would place the Arcas somewhere among the top 5. But of course I have not heard all top loudspeaker systems. Especially not those which usually top the hit list of various HiFi magazines. Those are the Wilson Grand Slam, JM Lab Utopia, Genesis I., Martin Logan Statement, ACapella Sphaeron Excalibur and others. But I have heard loudspeakers which are comparable to the Arcas. Two speakers I always love to remember are the Audio Physic Medea (using Manger transducers) and a speaker of a very small Hungarian company called Etalon. All the three speakers I had heared around the same time. Arca and Medea were both driven by Pass Aleph amps. The Etalons were driven by their own Integrated SS Amp, a 90 kgs. beast. All three systems were mind boggling but I would not be able to judge which system was the best among these three because every speaker was unique in it's own way. The Arcas because their extreme frequency range and fine details they were able to reproduce. The Medea because of their unbelievable dynamics. Something similar I had heard only from backloaded hornspeaker (Odeon 33) which I also realy loved. And the Etalons were the only speakers with dynamic drivers sofar which had mids comparable to the Quad ESL57. And in addition to these awesome natural mids you got a deep bass and absolute smooth highs.
But all in all I also believe that the Arcas are 'a serious contender to the rank of the world's best speakers!', like Sharukh already quoted.

Jochen

Hi !

So can one safely say that in price for price comparision any of the Cadence speakers outsmarts all other brands?

I gives me a sense of pride to hear that an Indian speaker is a serious contender for a position amongst the top 5-10

Congratulations to the Cadence team !

Yes, I am planning to audition Amaya at one of your customers in Delhi - may be next Sunday. I will give my feedback.

Regards

Sanjay

SDhawan schrieb:

Hi ! So can one safely say that in price for price comparision any of the Cadence speakers outsmarts all other brands? Regards Sanjay

I would say yes. And not only the speakers, also the amps.

Regards,
Jochen

Doc,

The cadence amps and speakers are very good for their price.

Listen to them with an open mind and judge them for what they are and what they deliver at that price. You will be very pleasantly surprised.

Manek.

Hi Manek !

I haven't forgotten your earlier signature !

Yes I'm planning to audition the Amaya next Sunday. The person who owns it is running it with Denon AVR & Phillips DVD. Will it reveal the real potential of the speakers or should arrange to take my own equipment?

Regards

Sanjay

Does the ES speakers differ in sound quality and technology from the other speakers?

How does the Cadence speakers sound with the Marantz or Denon AVR?

Doc,
Take a better amp and cdp please....one does not run Amamya's with such entry level devices.

Manek.

juggy_25 schrieb:

Does the ES speakers differ in sound quality and technology from the other speakers?

Actually the ES is Cadence's first speaker and the predecessor of the AMAYA. For the AMAYA they had changed the design of the cabinet and improved the crossover and drivers (ESL and woofer). After that the AMAYA has been replaced by the ARISTA, which again has a totally different cabinet. Also improvements which derived from the ARCAs have been incorporated into the new ARISTA which is now in it's second generation (Mk2).

Regards,
Jochen

SDhawan schrieb:

The person who owns it is running it with Denon AVR & Phillips DVD.

N A H E E E E E E E ! ! !

Doc, please arrange to take some better equipment! Tubes if poss!

Hi Jochen,
I had also requested for the location
of Cadence's listening room in delhi but was told that instead, an arrangement was being made to audition them at some owners' place.
My brother, who is very keen to audition Cadence is out of the country-if conveniently poss,can it be arranged for sunday after next i.e. 8th Oct?
Regards,
Kamal

Kamal schrieb:

Hi Jochen, I had also requested for the location of Cadence's listening room in delhi but was told that instead, an arrangement was being made to audition them at some owners' place. My brother, who is very keen to audition Cadence is out of the country-if conveniently poss,can it be arranged for sunday after next i.e. 8th Oct? Regards, Kamal

Hi Kamal,

You got a PM.
Jochen

The Amaya is a seriously good sounding loudspeaker the best amp for it their own VA-1 but not the 36watter Class AB but the Pure Class A 20 Watt guy.

Its a match very very difficult to beat at the price point of 1-5 2 Lacs.

If you like the tone of cadence electrostats I doubt any other speaker would give that anywhere close to that price-point.

I love cadence personally I think the sad part is that there are no proper dealers for it in Mumbai to promote the brand correctly.


Regards,

Satyam.

Tied up with Dr Sanjay and Rahul yesterday to audition the Amayas. Dr Sanjay took along his Denon Universal Player & Rahul his Rotel amp ;we all also took our fav & best quality Cds.
IT WAS A MIND BLOWING EXPERIENCE !!!!
We will be coordinating with each other to put up a comprehensive post of our experience very soon

Hi !

Jagjit Singh, Soundscape UK, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Diana Krall, Sting, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Carl Orff, Sting, Dire Straits and a bunch of three maniacs in the age group 20-60 ....

faced with Cadence Amayas ...

... the result was sheer ecstacy ... and we played on till signs of restlessness were visibly sharp on the face of the owner.

What struck me immediately? - It's so easy to hide bad equipment behind Amayas Yes, CDs played on Phillips DVD player and driven by Onkyo AVR (to which Sharukh said NAHEEEEE !) compelled us to say "Oh Yes !" We were thrilled. We upgraded the player to Denon DVD-1920 & Amp to Rotel 1070 (?) and played a few SACDs for an ultimate experience.

-wide & deep soundstage. Speakers were nowhere to be seen.
-pin-point actually pin-point imaging - SEEING is believing
-every instrument sounded so REAL in its timbre. So far I have been thinking of stereophonic sound. Now on I will think "Virtual Reality" with reference to music. June this year I heard a Mozart & Strauss live concert at Vienna and ever since then I have been wanting to go back - Amayas took me real close
-bass, mid, high and if you had anything else - were exactly like it SHOULD be
-listening fatigue? The owner got fatigued by us
-Genre? What genre? Whatever we hurled at Amayas they returned with delight - theirs & ours !

Negatives? Yes no review is complete without them:

-Kamal found them a little too heavy to lift
-Rahul found them a bit too expensive to buy
-I feel that it's not a fair competition. Other speakers should be given a chance. After all merit is not the only thing on which our country runs. I strongly recommend some sort of "reservation" for Other Backward speaCers

As a conclusion, Amayas are like the "Big B" of Bollywood - you have him and he will cover up for all the other average cast and churn out a hit.

I think I have found my speaker but I have not YET found the "courage" to buy them - you sure would need it besides the funds.

Kamal & Rahul will add to / further refine my comments.

Hi Sanjay,

I think you guys must take a trip to Mr Shirkes place in pune and listen to these speakers with the VA-1 amp its SUPER, even better you would be able to listen to the Arcas and the Canasya's too the Arcas are honestly WOW!!!

Cadence is a super company which take the fight to almost every high-end company around the world and would SURELY embaress most of them without a doubt in my mind.

I love the amayas too infact have a pair right now at my place but the Arcas are another league.


Regards,

Satyam.

SDhawan schrieb:

Hi ! Jagjit Singh, Soundscape UK, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Diana Krall, Sting, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Carl Orff, Sting, Dire Straits and a bunch of three maniacs in the age group 20-60 .... faced with Cadence Amayas ... ... the result was sheer ecstacy ... and we played on till signs of restlessness were visibly sharp on the face of the owner. What struck me immediately? - It's so easy to hide bad equipment behind Amayas Yes, CDs played on Phillips DVD player and driven by Onkyo AVR (to which Sharukh said NAHEEEEE !) compelled us to say "Oh Yes !" We were thrilled. We upgraded the player to Denon DVD-1920 & Amp to Rotel 1070 (?) and played a few SACDs for an ultimate experience. -wide & deep soundstage. Speakers were nowhere to be seen. -pin-point actually pin-point imaging - SEEING is believing -every instrument sounded so REAL in its timbre. So far I have been thinking of stereophonic sound. Now on I will think "Virtual Reality" with reference to music. June this year I heard a Mozart & Strauss live concert at Vienna and ever since then I have been wanting to go back - Amayas took me real close -bass, mid, high and if you had anything else - were exactly like it SHOULD be -listening fatigue? The owner got fatigued by us -Genre? What genre? Whatever we hurled at Amayas they returned with delight - theirs & ours ! Negatives? Yes no review is complete without them: -Kamal found them a little too heavy to lift -Rahul found them a bit too expensive to buy -I feel that it's not a fair competition. Other speakers should be given a chance. After all merit is not the only thing on which our country runs. I strongly recommend some sort of "reservation" for Other Backward speaCers As a conclusion, Amayas are like the "Big B" of Bollywood - you have him and he will cover up for all the other average cast and churn out a hit. I think I have found my speaker but I have not YET found the "courage" to buy them - you sure would need it besides the funds. Kamal & Rahul will add to / further refine my comments.

Hi Sanjay,

I am glad that you, Kamal and Rahul finally were able to listen to a Cadence speaker and that you are obviously taken up by these speakers in the same way like me 10 years ago when I had my first encounter with the Cadence ES, DS and VA-1(pure class A). That time I decided to go for the DS (todays name is DIVA), because I did not have the right room for the ES. Later the VA-1 was added.
Since yesterday an unbelievable system is set up in my listening room: ARCA and CANASYA. It will be here for another few weeks till it has to be shipped back to Pune. So if it happens that you guys come down to Bangalore you please contact me for a demo. You can listen as long as you want, I promise.

Regards
Jochen

Doc....
I'm glad you enjoyed the experience.

Maybe a used pair may not be so expensive.

Manek.

SDhawan schrieb:

Hi ! Jagjit Singh, Soundscape UK, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Diana Krall, Sting, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Carl Orff, Sting, Dire Straits and a bunch of three maniacs in the age group 20-60 .... faced with Cadence Amayas ... ... the result was sheer ecstacy ... and we played on till signs of restlessness were visibly sharp on the face of the owner. What struck me immediately? - It's so easy to hide bad equipment behind Amayas Yes, CDs played on Phillips DVD player and driven by Onkyo AVR (to which Sharukh said NAHEEEEE !) compelled us to say "Oh Yes !" We were thrilled. We upgraded the player to Denon DVD-1920 & Amp to Rotel 1070 (?) and played a few SACDs for an ultimate experience. -wide & deep soundstage. Speakers were nowhere to be seen. -pin-point actually pin-point imaging - SEEING is believing -every instrument sounded so REAL in its timbre. So far I have been thinking of stereophonic sound. Now on I will think "Virtual Reality" with reference to music. June this year I heard a Mozart & Strauss live concert at Vienna and ever since then I have been wanting to go back - Amayas took me real close -bass, mid, high and if you had anything else - were exactly like it SHOULD be -listening fatigue? The owner got fatigued by us -Genre? What genre? Whatever we hurled at Amayas they returned with delight - theirs & ours ! Negatives? Yes no review is complete without them: -Kamal found them a little too heavy to lift -Rahul found them a bit too expensive to buy -I feel that it's not a fair competition. Other speakers should be given a chance. After all merit is not the only thing on which our country runs. I strongly recommend some sort of "reservation" for Other Backward speaCers As a conclusion, Amayas are like the "Big B" of Bollywood - you have him and he will cover up for all the other average cast and churn out a hit. I think I have found my speaker but I have not YET found the "courage" to buy them - you sure would need it besides the funds. Kamal & Rahul will add to / further refine my comments.

You've tasted blood!!

You've tasted blood!!

You bet And am hungry for more...

I think you guys must take a trip to Mr Shirkes place in pune and listen to these speakers with the VA-1 amp its SUPER, even better you would be able to listen to the Arcas and the Canasya's too the Arcas are honestly WOW!!!

Yes I have plans for that...

Since yesterday an unbelievable system is set up in my listening room: ARCA and CANASYA. It will be here for another few weeks till it has to be shipped back to Pune. So if it happens that you guys come down to Bangalore you please contact me for a demo. You can listen as long as you want, I promise. Regards Jochen

Can you ship it to Delhi? I can provide you with listening room and won't mind conducting a formal auditioning for the Delhi audiophile.

What says you?

goolimangala schrieb:

Since yesterday an unbelievable system is set up in my listening room: ARCA and CANASYA. It will be here for another few weeks till it has to be shipped back to Pune. So if it happens that you guys come down to Bangalore you please contact me for a demo. You can listen as long as you want, I promise. Regards Jochen

I think I'll hold you up for that

I've been wanting to listen to the Canasyas for a long time. I just hope you'd have it till the end of October, 'coz thats the time I return to Bangalore...

soulforged schrieb:

goolimangala schrieb: Since yesterday an unbelievable system is set up in my listening room: ARCA and CANASYA. It will be here for another few weeks till it has to be shipped back to Pune. So if it happens that you guys come down to Bangalore you please contact me for a demo. You can listen as long as you want, I promise. Regards Jochen I think I'll hold you up for that I've been wanting to listen to the Canasyas for a long time. I just hope you'd have it till the end of October, 'coz thats the time I return to Bangalore...

End October definetly!

Regards,
Jochen

SDhawan schrieb:

Since yesterday an unbelievable system is set up in my listening room: ARCA and CANASYA. It will be here for another few weeks till it has to be shipped back to Pune. So if it happens that you guys come down to Bangalore you please contact me for a demo. You can listen as long as you want, I promise. Regards Jochen Can you ship it to Delhi? I can provide you with listening room and won't mind conducting a formal auditioning for the Delhi audiophile. What says you? 8)

Will discuss it with Mr. Shirke.

Regards,
Jochen

DR Sanjay has practically said it all!
Let me try to add to it a bit.....
The Listening Area-
The owner has a pretty big place in DLF( oh! to be rich!)
The entrance leads to an open space abt 12 ft square, with pillars on the 4 corners-The Amayas are placed just inside two of the pillars,thus being 10ft apart, with no toe in, couches for listening on the opposite side, between the opposing pair of pillars.
The open space had been roofed with a grill and slanting fibreglass roof.This square space was surrounded by a 8 to 10 ft deep sort of caovered veranda all around. Thus, the listening area was practically 28 to 30 Ft square!Almost ideal from the room resonance consideration pt of view and giving the speakers ample space to breathe.
The Associated Equipment- as described by Dr Sanjay above.We first listened using the owners equipment( Philips DVD Player 3007 & Onkyo AVR 603),then added Sanjays' Universal DVD Player, and lastly, Rahuls' Stereo Amp Rotel 1070 ( 100 watts RMS into 8 ohms).
The Listening Experience- Beautifully described by Dr Sanjay;my humble supplement:-
What struck us all immediately is the wealth of detail that the ES panel of the Amayas throws at you, detail that, with a lesser pair of speakers, you did'nt know existed in the recording!
The Amayas are an excellent set of speakers all around but the credit primarily goes to the brilliant ES Panel, so transparent, and blazingly fast in response.
Thus, listening to a Symphony Orchestra, you get astonishing depth & detail in the soundstage-we could clearly make the placement of instruments front middle & in the back of the Ensemble.Every finest of the notes was clearly audible!Every Ting a ling, every Wowuwow ,as the song goes!Add to this the dynamic output of the marvellous woofer, and you get the visceral impact of the sheer wall of sound that a Symphony orchestra produces! Would have loved to hear a cathedral organ on the Amayas.
Vocals-we played a variety, including some tracks from my all time favourite "The Unforgettables" By Jagjit& Chitra- The first track " Baat Niklege to phir door talak..." guys, it was uncanny, it raises the hair on your body!It was almost as if there was also a mike in Jagjits mouth-you could hear his tongue touching the teeth,& the palate, his breath moving thru his throat, mouth & expelled thru his teeth, that was the level of clarity!Close your eyes and you could swear Jagjit was sitting right in front of you!
Anything we played, we all agreed it sounded much, much better.The Amayas brought out the beauty of a good recording as well as highlighted the inadequacies of a bad one!
We could have listened on and on , but had to pack up after an hour and a half as it was nearing lunchtime, and the family was getting restless;Jochen, PLz, Plz convince Cadence to set up a listening room in Delhi, its not a small village!
The Audition made one thing very clear to us,viz, the speakers are the most important part of an Audio Chain.
The Amayas sounded marvellous even with an entry level DVD player & an AVR more designed for HT than for stereo music.We could understand why the owner, having spent 1.4 lacs on the speakers, did not show any sense of urgency in getting better source & amplification- he appeared content to sit back and enjoy his music collection.
We signed off with Dire Straits Sultans of Swing, followed by the next " happy" track- it was a treat to see Rahul swaying around with his eyes closed: no doubt he imagined he actually had his girl in his arms, such was the magic that the Amayas created!
Hai, kya cheez hai jawaaaaniiiiiii bhi !!!!
Over to you , Rahul for the final word.....

Every Ting a ling, every Wowuwow ,as the song goes

That's lovely song "It's yesterday once more" - Carpenters. One of my favorites too.

Dear Kamal, it was a very pleasant surprise meeting you (I'll keep the suprise a mystery for others). And please drop that title from my name, just "Sanjay" sounds more audiophilic

Kamal schrieb:

Jochen, PLz, Plz convince Cadence to set up a listening room in Delhi, its not a small village!

Unfortunately, even the only Cadence dealer I knew in "Mumbai-gaon" has closed down!

Sharukh,

Just becuase there isnt a cadence dealer in mumbai should not stop cadence from organising a similar show in Mumbai

Manek.

Hi !

I think Cadence should identify some audiophiles in each city who could work as their ambassadors & facilitators (not really dealers). It could work like this:

Ambassadors could provide:
-Listening room
-Arrange auditions for prospective buyer / interested audiophile, with prior appointment
-Provide themn with literature, prices, other details, etc.
-Book / route orders to Cadence
-May help & guide in installation & setup
-May guide the audiophiles on other equipment
-May route & help resolving customer complaints

What Cadence could do?
-Could sell equipment to these ambassadors at a very lucrative discount (at least at dealer price)
-Couuld sell equipment to audiophiles at dealer price or only slightly more - as it would be direct to customer sale
-Offer some incentive (cash or kind) to the ambassador for working as facilitators

What says you ?

In Mumbai I'm open to have audiophiles/interested buyers come audition the canasya at my place though I dont have a cadence speaker in my setup.


Regards,

Satyam.

Kamal schrieb:

guys, it was uncanny, it raises the hair on your body!It was almost as if there was also a mike in Jagjits mouth-you could hear his tongue touching the teeth,& the palate, his breath moving thru his throat, mouth & expelled thru his teeth, that was the level of clarity!Close your eyes and you could swear Jagjit was sitting right in front of you!

Wow.. thats something worth saving for.when i geta chance i'll listen to these speakers.

Great idea,Sanjay!But it has to be someone with the passion ,the knowledge,& the time of a Jochen-remember we talked abt this on our way back from DLF-Viren,I think, would be an ideal person for this ,if he agrees;I don't think there would be a conflict since Cadence & he work in very difft market niches

Hi !

If Viren is not willing then I can volunteer. But I have time constraints that's why I mentioned with "prior appointment". The Soundsmiths of Bombay are already doing it.

Sanjay,Rahul and Kamal,
Great you experienced the magic of Amaya!!
How much it costs?(new and used, if any?)
I will start saving the moolah and the courage to buy one day..
But from the discussion can we convincingly say that better the speaker,source matters but to a very small extent?
If you can live with Denon universal player,instead you spend more on speakers,that's what I see the message here.
Can we say for a bugdet>100K,the distribution on the components, can be more skewed in favour of speakers?
Thanks.

hifinovice1 schrieb:

Sanjay,Rahul and Kamal, Great you experienced the magic of Amaya!! How much it costs?(new and used, if any?) I will start saving the moolah and the courage to buy one day.. But from the discussion can we convincingly say that better the speaker,source matters but to a very small extent? If you can live with Denon universal player,instead you spend more on speakers,that's what I see the message here. Can we say for a bugdet>100K,the distribution on the components, can be more skewed in favour of speakers? Thanks.

I dont think that's true to me a source and the amplification are equally important and if you have a revealing set of speakers then its going to start making a bigger difference.

I sure when sanjay,kamal, and Rahul listen to these speakers with better amplification, source and cables it would be much much better.

I have no doubt in my mind that the setup was mind-blowing but it would just much much much better with better gear in the chain.


Regards,

Satyam.

Hi !

Of course, changing the source from Phillips DVD to Denon Universal Player DVD-1920 (which is actually very good for stereo & SACD Stereo) and the amp from Onkyo AVR to Rotel Int. Amp. made a significant improvement in sound quality.

What I meant was that the performance of Amayas is so superlative that even the humble equipment feeding them sounded great.

The imaging with these speakers is so fabulous that I would say that these speakers are actually Visual Display Devices !

My apologies for entering late in this discussion.
Well, Sanjay and Kamal have said everything that I wanted to say about the Amayas. They were superb to say the least. The soundstaging I repeat was fabulous. But the key take away for me was that the budget for speakers should be atleast 60% of the total. I am not saying that the other components are not important, but for a beginner the electronics should take a backseat and more mone should be spent on speakers. Maye we can have another discussion on that.
Now to the Amayas. The Amayas were brilliant in the mids and wonderful highs. It seemed as if Chris Botti was giving a special performance for me there. The lower frequencies came out just right for me (am not a bass lover). All in all a fabulous sounding speaker and as Sanjay said nobody could have guessed that there was a Philips DVD and an Onkyo AVR behind the Amayas. The best thing I liked about them were that those speakers could play the tenor sax and electronic dance music equally well. We heard Chris Botti, Dire Straits, Diana Krall, Western classical,Jagjit/Chitra Singh smooth jazz and the Amayas played all of them as if it ws made for that genre of music only. Besides the Amayas are very good looking speakers too.

Negatives:
At 1.40 lakhs they were slightly expensive for me. Not that it is going to stop me from buying it if I have the money. But since it is made in India, the prices can come down a bit which would definitely increase sales if people get to hear it.
To sum it up, I have yet to hear a better speaker in my short life till now.

Re the pt of view put forward by sbfx; while Sanjay has correctly stated that there was definitely an improvement when we added the Denon player, and then the Rotel Amp ,we maintain what we experienced, viz, that a great speaker can surely produce great results even with ordinary source/amp; of course, adding better source/amp will improve the sound ( hasto, logically speaking ),but would follow the law of diminishing returns HUMAN PERCEPTION WISE !
Look at it this way-would an ordinary set of speakers paired with the Denonplayer/Rotel amp produce equal quality sound as the Amayas did with the very ordinary Philips DVD/far from sonically perfect Onkyo AVR 603? No, I at least am very sure.Speakers certainly are the toughest part of the audio chain to make, and ,to my mind, should be allocated a significant portion of the budget.
I end with reiterating to sbfx- we, i.e. Sanjay,Rahul,& yours humbly, actually experienced what we have stated; plz do try to validate this/otherwise by means of an actual listening session-logic alone does not always reveal sonic truths!
I trust Sanjay's post above & this one would provide an answer to the query of hifinovice1.

Shahrukh schrieb:

I remember reading a review of the Arcas many years ago where the reviewer said something like 'Indian Cadence is a serious contender to the rank of the world's best speakers!'

I would love to read that review - not to forget that the reveiwer [who ever he was] has surely not heard many audio set ups.........for sure.

Rockport Technoligies - Hyperion & Antares
Marten Design - Coltrane
Avalaon Acoustics - Isis & Eidelon
Lumenwhite - Diamondlight
Wilson Audio - Maxx 2
Gryphon Audio - Trident & Posieden

I could keep going on and on.

Cadence makes great products. I love them. They have a house sound & that sound surely treads down my alley, however, if you talk about the best that there is to offer, then Cadence has a long way to go. Maybe the Power Amplifier is there at the top 10 % of the Tube Amplifer world, but the speakers still have a long long way to go.

On a scale of 10, where the products that I have mentioned may score between 8.5 to 9.5, the Cadence ARCA can get to 7 maybe 7.5 on a good day in a great set up etc. etc.

I am not bring the Cadence Products down, just making the comparison realistic.

If I offended some one by doing this, please do accept my deepest apology.

Regards,

BHAGWAN

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Shahrukh schrieb: I remember reading a review of the Arcas many years ago where the reviewer said something like 'Indian Cadence is a serious contender to the rank of the world's best speakers!' I would love to read that review - not to forget that the reveiwer [who ever he was] has surely not heard many audio set ups.........for sure. Rockport Technoligies - Hyperion & Antares Marten Design - Coltrane Avalaon Acoustics - Isis & Eidelon Lumenwhite - Diamondlight Wilson Audio - Maxx 2 Gryphon Audio - Trident & Posieden I could keep going on and on. Cadence makes great products. I love them. They have a house sound & that sound surely treads down my alley, however, if you talk about the best that there is to offer, then Cadence has a long way to go. Maybe the Power Amplifier is there at the top 10 % of the Tube Amplifer world, but the speakers still have a long long way to go. On a scale of 10, where the products that I have mentioned may score between 8.5 to 9.5, the Cadence ARCA can get to 7 maybe 7.5 on a good day in a great set up etc. etc. I am not bring the Cadence Products down, just making the comparison realistic. If I offended some one by doing this, please do accept my deepest apology. Regards, BHAGWAN

Dear Bhagwan,

While I can't recall the name of the reviewer, I think I read this review in a VERY OLD issue of Hifi news about a decade or so back! I will certainly check up on this and get back to you.

However, saying that it's one of the world's best speakers is absolutely subjective. But then most opinions are. Even yours is. We may keep going back to that same old topic I don't think there'll ever be an answer to that one!!

Oh wait... maybe it's Bose!

Bhagwan, quality has to be in relation to price.The Cadence Arcas' sell for around $ 10,000 while the Wilsons would set you back by $ 150,000 ;do the Wilsons sound 15 times better? I half suspect that people who lay out that kind of money con themselves into thinking so!
Unfortunately, it is a universal failing to ascribe quality largely in relation to price, and we Indians, while chanting"trust only your ears while auditioning eqpt,are very prone to associate quality with only foreign brands.
How many persons looking for their first audio setup would have the courage to go for Virens setup rather than a foreign one costing around the same ,purely on the basis of an objective audio experience?

Kamal schrieb:

Bhagwan, quality has to be in relation to price.The Cadence Arcas' sell for around $ 10,000 while the Wilsons would set you back by $ 150,000 ;do the Wilsons sound 15 times better? I half suspect that people who lay out that kind of money con themselves into thinking so! Unfortunately, it is a universal failing to ascribe quality largely in relation to price, and we Indians, while chanting"trust only your ears while auditioning eqpt,are very prone to associate quality with only foreign brands. How many persons looking for their first audio setup would have the courage to go for Virens setup rather than a foreign one costing around the same ,purely on the basis of an objective audio experience?

Kamal,

I dont care for brands honestly but I really believe that the Cadence Canasya will take the fight home to ANY tube amp priced north of 25,000 US$$ that includes the Jadis JA-500, CAT JL1, Kron..... theres no doubt in my mind that the difference would only be +-5% but with regards to the speaker its a house sound so is the VA-1 but what a sound I love what it does.

Regards,

Satyam.