5 Easiest Steps to Setting up your Stereo

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Prithvi
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#1 erstellt: 13. Jan 2005, 09:57
Hi! Guys,
Here is a simple way to improve ur system.

Its a good way to wring a bit more performance out of your system without spending much money, in some cases you can make improvements without opening your wallet.

Here's a couple of quick, simple tips on how to get the most out of your stereo system. For the purposes of this exercise I will assume that the system is correctly wired, with speakers in phase(positive wire to positve terminal, vice versa). Now you know why I called my company Absolute Phase.

The ideal listening position is at the tip of an equilateral triangle. That means if you form a triangle with your speakers as two corners with you as the third, all distances being equal. I know this is sometimes difficult to acheive, but if done correctly will greatly improve imaging. Experiment with placement, it will be worth your time. Try toeing your speakers in (some are not supposed to be toed-in as they are designed to be kept facing straight like Murthy's KEF's)


. By that I mean angle them into your listening position. My tip is to position the speaker so that you can't see the side of the cabinet, only its face. Experiment - try to get a good balance between image stability and the spaciality. See if your speakers work better closer or further from the rear wall. Same with the side wall. Try to make the distance between floor, rear and side wall different in each instance. And 9 times out of 10, speakers sound best when firing down the longest axis of the room. Never keep the distance from the back wall to spk and dist from the side wall to spk the same.


Try taking off the grilles. Most times, speakers will benefit from this, giving more air and immediacy to the treble. This is not always the case. Again some spks makers do not recommend removing the grills as they are designed that way.I find metallic domed speakers can benefit from the grilles in place, especially if the system tends towards brightness.(like the Cadence Arita & the Diva)


Good stands are a must.(c my earlier post on spk stands) This is not really an option. The only time to put bookshelf speakers on a bookshelf is whilst your waiting for your stands to be delivered. Good solid stands will improve bass depth and tightness. This extends to equipment supports too. Further more, like all good drinks, floorstanding speakers must be spiked. Again, there will be a payoff in the bass end of the spectrum, with a tighter and fuller sound.

Something I saw yesterday just shocked me: I had a glass of water on my system rack and I was playing the ProAcs at a decent volume and was amazed to see ripples in the water inside the glass, by this you will physically see the amount of vibrations that spks can induce in rack, no wonder when you isolate the system it sounds better, dont trust me then try it ur self.

Get the best cabling you can afford. I know its an old saying, but the system is only as good as the weakest link. A cable is really a filter in your system. You want it to take as little away from the music as possible. Sometimes changing the cable is a bigger improvement than changing a component. Cabling makes a huge difference, anyone who says otherwise is deaf. And by the way, thicker is not necessarily better. Generally if a system costs Rs 1 lac keep atleast an extra Rs 10k for cables. Generally I keep 10% for cables.

Try a power conditioner like the Finesse made by mutthy, or upgrade the mains cable, again try the finesse pwr cable. I was sceptical of this, but its a real improvement to your system. Try it and you will see for ur self. The cheap cable that is supplied with the unit can be changed for a better one, with a number of manufacturers making IEC mains cable. It really helps to reduce background noise and opens up the top end of the system.

Rules in India are meant to be broken so go ahead and do whatever you can to get the best out of ur system. Find what works for you. I hope this has helped. Drop me a line if you have any further questions on system setup!

Rgds

Prithvi
muks
Schaut ab und zu mal vorbei
#2 erstellt: 13. Jan 2005, 11:28
Thanks Prithvi. These are really good tips as most of us suffer from not utlizing the system to its maximum potential.
Manek
Inventar
#3 erstellt: 13. Jan 2005, 11:39
guys 'n' gals, surf the audio websites/forums like this one bit more and you will find more pearls of wisdom.

Nothing replaces reading user experiences and trying them out in your home.

manek.
Prithvi
Stammgast
#4 erstellt: 13. Jan 2005, 20:27
Hi! Manek,
Yes ur right the guys must see as much of audio sites for more info. I try to put together as much of info for all of us from many of the sites that I think will help us achieve our goal in audiophilialand.

Everyday I search for new information on new sites and sometimes thy are good and sometimes horrible.

Rgds

Prithvi
ani
Stammgast
#5 erstellt: 14. Jan 2005, 18:09
Excellent job Prithvi, hope we can build this thread into a great one by adding everyones experience. I would like to add a point reagrding placement of speakers.

The toe in method described by Prthvi is called eliminating the room (impossible task) the idea is to get minimum reflection from the side walls, this set up will give you very strong center imaging at the cost of width.

I would suggest you to try all angles in between straight on and baffle directed straight at you. Stop when you get maximum depth and enough center imaging.

reduce the reftection from floor by placing thick rugs in front of speakers, lots of stuffed furnishing do help in dampenig the room , dont bother much about ceiling if it is atleast 9'high.
Prithvi
Stammgast
#6 erstellt: 14. Jan 2005, 22:07
Hi! Ani,
Nice add-ons to my post. Yes when the spks are directed totally towards you then you do loose the width (soundstage) but you gain on focus (Image). Some people like that some dont. Like today I did this experiment with my good Friend Cheo and he prefered the spks slightly toed-in and not fully toed-in. This is all a personal preference and also room/spk dependent.

Eliminating the room is possible to a certain experiment. In short it is a room within a room. The spks rest on a pole which is fixed to the first room and then it comes out into a second room through the floor. The spks have no kind of contact at all with the second room floor. This is just for the max decoupling ever. With digital signal processing (DSP) like the new DEQx over it is possible to remove the room and alter the freq responce of the system, but it is not 100% accurate.

Have been in this business for the past 15 years Ani and I learn more & more each day. Just have the willpower & quest for knowledge and the rest will follow. Only thing I have belived that the more you give the more you get.

Rgds

Prithvi
ani
Stammgast
#7 erstellt: 15. Jan 2005, 09:33
Yes you have rightly pointed out the most important aspect of Hifi "Personal preference". The system that you feel happy with is the "Best for You", I have noticed that whenever someone crosses this personal line with ones comments or views problems start .

Glad to know that you could spend more than 15 yrs doing what you like, I was lucky to be in touch with hifi from late seventies, thanks to my dad.

Now you have started on speakers why dont you go into source and amplifiers ?
cheraz
Ist häufiger hier
#8 erstellt: 15. Jan 2005, 15:17
Good quality time, Prithvi.

What I felt with the fully toed in position of speakers was that the sound stage greatly reduced. The speakers all of a sudden became very visble. What I like is when the speakers don`t seem to exit and the sound is coming from from a much larger center stage. By this you can put a positional fix on all the individuals of the band.

I am getting the marble slabs for the cdp & spks on wed. Will try them out and give my comments.
Prithvi
Stammgast
#9 erstellt: 15. Jan 2005, 15:19
Hi! Yes my posts on source and amps will come in in time, first I must put food on the table for the family. This is the only source of income for me. Many friends and clients thinks I am nuts doing ultra-hi-end audio. The market is there but not what everyone thinks it so to be.

All these huge orders take a lot of time, effort, brand building, I stress most of all relationship building or relationship management which is the most important in my field. Cant waste time for low-end customers as thre are 1000s of low end dealers out here. Would love to help everyone but then it does not help me.

Most of all a client first has to feel comfortable with a dealer, then once this is achieved the rest will follow.

Will post as much as I can. Whep! cant believe I have spent 15 years in this trade. I am lovin it!!!!!!!
Rgds

Prithvi,
cheraz
Ist häufiger hier
#10 erstellt: 15. Jan 2005, 15:30
Prithvi I don`t know why, but even the floppy does not open. It asked to be formatted. So I stopped. How do we take this forward?
Prithvi
Stammgast
#11 erstellt: 15. Jan 2005, 15:33
Hi! Cheo,
Was great spending time at ur place. Thanks for the intro to the Agarwals. You are absolutely right, when the spks were toed-in you get 99% direct sound and 1% reflected sound. We call this a nearfield listening set-up, but in ur case it cn be called a far nearfield set-up. In this set-up there is a better focus but you loose on soundstage.

I too personally prefer the other set-up with a slight toe-in (5 degrees or more), I like my sound to come beyond the spks and never stop at the spk. You should get a wall of sound and you can then visualize the image very clearly. The soundstage is deep and wide, now thats what I like personally. Spks like Audio Physic are placed in the middle of the room and it has to be a totally nearfield set-up, just like the studios, not practical in a home, ok if u have a dedicated room for stereo and a wife who will not interfer.:D

I will come and do the needful on wednesday, have ordered the tiptoes too so that I can do everything in one shot. I have also ordered for the Transparent Bananas.

Was a pleasure spending time at ur place. Your system is fantastic but just let the 82s burn-in then see the difference.

Rgds

Prithvi
Prithvi
Stammgast
#12 erstellt: 15. Jan 2005, 15:36
Hi! Cheo,
Looks like either there is some probs with ur comp. Will have a hardcopy for you on wednesday.
Rgds

prithvi
Krish
Stammgast
#13 erstellt: 17. Jan 2005, 07:15
Prithvi,
How or rather where can one get Finesse power cable in B'bay ?

Also, are Pro Acs available in B'bay ?

Cheers
Krishnan
Prithvi
Stammgast
#14 erstellt: 17. Jan 2005, 08:23
Hi! Krish,
You can order a FINESSE pwr cord from me. No not yet appointed any dealer for ProAc in Mumbai, as of now I am only selling LINN/PROAC/PLINIUS in India by myself.
Rgds
Prithvi
Nagaraj
Ist häufiger hier
#15 erstellt: 17. Jan 2005, 08:24
Hi All,

Here's a small tweak that I tried this weekend at Prithvi's place - mass loading the Tannoy Mercury MX3's that I have.

The result is that there is a definite improvement in the way the lower frequencies are handled now. There was a "boominess" earlier that is no longer present now. These loudspeaker's are bi-wired and spending about Rs 300/- for the sand has certainly made things better! We used about 3-4kgs for each speaker.

But removing the 10mm rubber grommet out, to get access to the cavity at the bottom of the speaker is a different tale altogether!

So if any of you have loudspeakers that have a cavity at the bottom then be sure to try this out. A mail to the support staff at your loudspeaker company would help in finding out what the ideal quantity of sand / lead shot that should be used.

Regards,
- Nagaraj
Prithvi
Stammgast
#16 erstellt: 17. Jan 2005, 08:33
Hi! Nagaraj,
Was fun doing the sand filling. Great to know it made a difference.
Rgds

Prithvi
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