Hi!!

Yup thats the problem with people who deal with hi-end systems.they act too smart , thats OK which SONODYNE did you own and how was your experience with Cadence..i mean demo...Well about Manek he owns Cadence and absolutely flaunts .yaaa when you own something like that you better flaunt it . you have it you love it for ever.

Cadence speakers are the best..

SUB_boss, I love my aritas, I really, really do

I had a Uranus.

The Cadence speakers were impressive. The demo room is on one of the roads connecting the east and main streets in Pune, near Penosh transport office. I heard it out twice in the last couple of years.

I have been on a search for an elusive music system. The problem is that the music I listen to is quite varied. I want the mindless power for trance as well as the sweetness of country as well as the clarity and fidelity for jazz and blues. All in one so to speak.

The best system I remember hearing is my friend's Arphi Aqarius and Sony Amp + deck 20 years ago during college days.

I have listened to a wide variety of conbinations of Hi end Audio demos but nothing that I would die to own.

A combination of Cadence speakers with a matching amp with provisions a sub woofer (preferably active) thrown in, might come close to my requirements.

Any suggestions?

roshan,

since you listen to all types of music you have to audition a lot of combos....please never ever go by the price . some manufacturers deliberately price their products high to pinch off a share in the market and they unneccesarily use expensive materials which is sometimes not required at all. ( like the olden day expensive cars had ivory gear knobs which added more to the price tag than functionality , but in hifi world we need more of functionality than expensively polished floor stander sounding flat and you as a proud owner acclaiming that you have the best sound coz you have paid too much and you feel that is how it is supposed to sound)....don't think if it costs more it gotta be good. if you pay more you have a kinda pscycho feeling that it sounds best .go by your ears..i've seen moderate costing speakers or amps ripping the undies out of expensive ones .

All the best..think carefully before you sink your thousands into a hifi and start looking for unattainable perfection....there are a lots of stuff available....as i've already told shopping is a breeze.demand high discounts. ..dealers will give it to you.

happy shopping.

Hello Roshan,

From your reference system (20 yrs old) I think you must be about my age My reference was a Philips speaker, a 3 way driven by a Kenwood amp of 35w rms and the source was another Philips, a belt driven turntable and Audio technica MM cartridge (both philips were from Holland). Why I am telling all story is how to bring out the point how much the speakers have improved and electronics in general. The modern spks can be versatile as well as appeal to a limited genre of music it depends upon the range you choose from each manufactur. Your wide interest in different music calls for a true fullrange floor stander, there comes the problem, it is very expensive to produce a genuine high quality fullrange speaker. So you have to make some compromise in the range of speaker for the sake of quality.

Hi,
If you are from B'bay, check out Norge.It is run by this old timer called Shyam Bajaj.Here is his address; Eastern Electronics, 225, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, off Sitladevi Temple Road,Mumbai 16, tel :2446 6647

For the money, it is extreme value.Of course, you cannot compare it with the more expensive hi-end stuff. It's not brutally honest nor does it have the lushest of tonality.

However if you are looking for an affordable, yet decent quality amp and speakers, that will work with a varierty of music, check him out.

He sells his top of the line amp(85 wpc @ 4ohms, if I'm not mistaken) for 9K and bookshelfs for another 8 K.

Cheers

hi krish ,

you are absolutely right .NORGE is better option and prices are open for further discount...85wpc @ 4 ohms is a superlative figure.so lets look at 50wpc @ 8 ohms and it is a plenty sound and when driven with a good cd player makes and a very good value for money.

Sub_Boss
Sorry.It's 80/85wpc @8 ohms and 115 wpc or there abouts @4ohms.

I do not think that he will be willing to bring it down any further.

Cheers

Are you talking about the one which costs 9k then the output is 50wpc@8 ohms and the one you are reffering to is slightly expensive , but 85wpc @ 8 ohms at what rate of THD is another question altogether.yes he has to reduce his price as the market is mature and even big guys like ONKYO and Yamaha are offering discounts so even he has to. His product might be costing less, but every customer expects some discount whether it's 9k or 90k.

If I remember right the rating was 80 W RMS at 6 ohms. So at 8 ohms there should be a reduction so 50 W could be OK. I think the figure quoted for THD was .04% which is pretty good. I didnt get to hear it but talked to Shyam Bajaj who was pretty helpful. This was rated in AV Max as Best buy.
They have speakers bookshelves which I didnt also hear but didnt look very impressive.

Rgds
Vinod

Another Indian option would be PULZ. or maybe a used NAD320(not the nad 320bee) of yester years. One of my friends bought it used for 5k and is extremely happy with it, 40W/chanl


manek.

USED NAD AT 5K.CAN YOU GET ME ONE AS WELL.....IAM TIRED OF MY SONY

Which leads to my question.

How mature is the used/Second hand market in India and where do we look for such excellent bargains that Manek mentions

Cadence speakers and a sub ! Looks like you are not on a shoestring budget ! If you have the money, go in for something decent
instead of settling down for mediocre. A pair of cadence aritas wIth a matching sub from REL, SVS or Adire audio will serve you well.
Very few speakers out there can beat the Cadence for Jazz. Other's you could try out are Quad, Dynaudio, Proac (if can afford them).
Most speakers can play loud and clear.Very few can make you connect to the music.

Guy's!!!!



Anil, SUB BOSS, Vinid, Hifigeek, Manek....

Thank's for the feedback.

Cadence with a Sub-woofer!!! Mishra (the demo man, If I remember the name correctly) will burst a few circuits!!! He played Eagles, Live, Hotel California for me and I was almost moved to tears!!! My friend who is a Marine engineer (probably partially deaf) wanted more THUMP!!! You should have seen Mishra's face!!!!

Once I heard a top of the line Bose system in a Bose demo room in the US, I found it too synthetic.

The Sonodyne demo room in Vile Parle contains their entire range and is quite exhaustive, but.... dil mange more....!

I've also heard all the Pro Fx and rest of the Gang at Crosswords. Then there's a guy in Bandra..

There was this guy in Saki Naka, who claims to make great speakers(Yellow Pages!!!). When I went to see him he was trying to flog some Chinese speakers. So-so.

One time I had a Blaupunkt Daytona beach coupled with a Sony Poweramp and 10" Pioneer woofer in my Scorpio. The guy who jigged it up for me put the speakers in a fine set of cabinets and, in that confined space, the clarity, power and fidelity was great!!

But hey, I'm going to listen to Norge and I'm open to any Audiophile who wants to flog his old system...

Guy's let the feedback continue. I need to get that elusive system, even if it's just to prove to my wife that I wasn't making empty threats all these years!!!!

Roshan.

Mishra ? or was it Sharma ??? You bet he would blow a circuit or two .......hee hee...your marine engineer friend should listen to JBL's...he will definately get the thump he needs and more !

cadence aritas with a sub ???? maybe .....maybe not...then the cadence diva would be a better bet with that 8 inch mid/bas unit. It'll give you the bass you need. The bass timing of all cadence speakers is so spot on that any addition of a sub would be one hell of a task to integrate well.
My advice would be not to spend on the sub and use the money and go in for bigger cadence speakers, budget permitting. BTW REL are highly rated subs and are expensive. But then again the room size may restrict you from using large speakers.

manek.

If you are determined go by your heart

A sub with Cadence is not a good idea unless u have extra 60 to 70 k's to spend. I have tried few subs i.e. Paradigm, Klipsch, Polk Audio and Sonodyne with Cadence Diva in the 25000/- to 35000/- price bracket. All the subs muddled the bass and were not in pace with Cadence driver. IMO a sub is only good for HT application.
Now i don't use any sub for HT. My Divas go down well to handle the movie sound in a 24 x 17 feet room.

A guy in Kolkata who deals in 2nd hand hi fi has some NAD amps...most probably 3020 and 320. He also has Audiolab 8000, Exposure X and Rotel 971 pre power.

All of the below subs are meant for HT and not for audio hence the tone, the bass timing as well as "Thump"would be too disproportionate with music.
Good Musical subs are expensive and REL ST series (1000 USD+) is when musical subs reallyn get interesting.

Fo value for money, on the lines of maneks post, a Floorstander would be a much better bet .


Regarding your Divas going down..try using a sub with a good DVD..the experience is quite something and for your room sizr a 150W 10" sub would surey be a better bet than any usual floorstander !

myriad schrieb:

A sub with Cadence is not a good idea unless u have extra 60 to 70 k's to spend. I have tried few subs i.e. Paradigm, Klipsch, Polk Audio and Sonodyne with Cadence Diva in the 25000/- to 35000/- price bracket. All the subs muddled the bass and were not in pace with Cadence driver. IMO a sub is only good for HT application. Now i don't use any sub for HT. My Divas go down well to handle the movie sound in a 24 x 17 feet room.

Arj you are right. But i meant to say, one can live without a sub if he has a good floorstander. Sub will always make a difference, especially in a HT setup.

For me, i will better spend that money on upgrading my 2 channel set up. It's just a case of priorities of different individuals

Guys!!!



Please,,,,no HT's. I'm looking for 'pure' Audio systems.

Coming back to Cadence, isn't the Arita a 'regular' speaker compared to their hybrids? How does the performance differ?

Roshan.

You mentioned that your taste in music varies from techno to jazz and you want the mindless power and thump for techno.For a sub to match with
the aritas, you would probably need to go with REL or something in that range.You turn the sub on only when you listen to techno. I personally
do not like to listen to music with subs.But then I don't mind sacrificing that lowest octave for good quality, fast bass.
Another option for your varied taste would be to go for a very high end full range speaker which could cost a lot.Most budget floorstanders
will give you a lot of loud, muddy, bloated bass.So a high quality bookshelf speaker for Jazz and a decent sub serving you only when you are
on a techno trip could serve you better.

Manek,Hifigeek,Myriad, Ari, Sub_boss, Vinod.



Thanks guys for your inputs I seem to have a better idea of what configuration would keep me happy.

One final question before I sign off.


How does the Cadence Arita and the Anina differ in terms of sound quality?

Is a valve amp really worth the bother. Does it realy make a qualitatively noticable difference ?

Thanks in advance for your participation!!!!

Weill let you guys know what I finally buy!!!!

Roshan.

Dear Roshan,
Hi! The Aritas are great spks. THe ANINAs are in a different league, more suitable for jazz and classical though. Have a client who only listens to rock who owns them and he says that initially he found rock music too clean and refined, but he could hear into the recording and now he swears by it.

All depends on ur taste of music, room size and ur listening levels. An electrostat is an electrostat. Period. Except if you go to the next level which is the PLASMA tweeter from Acapella, blows the pants of the stat.

Rgds

Prithvi

PS: IF you like the divas then u will not need a sub, they go low enough. Even if you buy a REL you need a RTA/SPL METER to get the exact flat freq responce and remember ur room acoustics plays the most important role.

Prithvi,

Thanks for the feedback.

There's no DIVA listed on the Cadence website, is it still being sold or has it been replaced with another model?

Roshan.

Cadence DS listed on the website is Cadence Diva.

Hi! Roshan,
Their website is the best in the world. They actually update it every day you know. Inspite of telling them many time they are just not bothered to do the needful Roshan.
Rgds

Prithvi

PS: The DS is the DIVA