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bhagwan69
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#101 erstellt: 15. Feb 2008, 04:53 | |||||
Hello Sir [Bombaywalla] ! Thanks for the Chicago - ORD - part. Appreciate it. With regards to the 'visit' You do not need to take any leave from work or club it with a business trip..... Just book an early morning flight from North Carolina - Raleigh [I think] to ORD. This should be for a Saturday. Get to Chicago by 11 a.m. at the latest. Go to Ultra Audio / Video. Spend 4 to 5 hours there & take the 6 p.m. or so flight back. It will work. May cost you a bit - tickets i.e. - but if you book 45 days in advance & look for a good deal, 150 US $'s 1 way should be possible. It will be the best 300 bucks you spent in your life !!!! Do think about it & give it a try. Should be too good. R.T. only attends shows in USA - never travels out himself. & the Arrakis will 'never' go to any show. So you will be the only person that I know who can and would have heard it. Besides, I trust your 'hearing' !! |
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bhagwan69
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#102 erstellt: 15. Feb 2008, 05:01 | |||||
Sir, forget my set up, I / We did a 'comparo' between the Nordost Valhalla PC & a Transparent - Super PC [4th {or 3rd} from the top] at another friend / audiophiles place there were 3 of us present - none being 'concered parties' [except the Super PC's owner] and the TC - Super was 'better' than the Nordost - Valhalla - All said, the PC will only show its ability if the system has the potential to 'resolve' High Octane Fuel in a Maruti Alto / Zen will not make the car perform better & it sure will not make the car go faster...... This is not the case for PC's but for all cables in general. Try to put an 'average' cable in a hi fidelity set up & the system will show you in 1 second what is going on................ |
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bhagwan69
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#103 erstellt: 16. Feb 2008, 04:31 | |||||
Sir, what can I say ?? Maybe it works, maybe it does not !! You will have to experiment for yourself & find out !! But, if you do go for it; Change all the cables, CD & Pre & Power. Then the full effect will be known & felt. IMHO |
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msb1
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#104 erstellt: 16. Feb 2008, 07:37 | |||||
Going to use it on my Sony ZXR-9000-AVI all in one system. Hope it works well.. Will let you know..! |
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Arj
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#105 erstellt: 16. Feb 2008, 11:04 | |||||
MSB, from your system details, you seem to be using a Jon Risch filter. is it for your amp only or for your CDP and pre as well ? also how are the Miras with the Electrocompaniet ? |
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msb1
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#106 erstellt: 16. Feb 2008, 13:59 | |||||
JR Filter is used for all 3 but I have 2 dedicated mains lines with two seperate filter circuits - One for the CDP and one for the Pre/Power. I have just ordered a 'branded' power filter and hence the JR Filter will be retired. I think the Mira sound good with the Electrocompaniet (I haven't heard them with anything else ). [Beitrag von msb1 am 16. Feb 2008, 21:24 bearbeitet] |
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bhagwan69
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#107 erstellt: 16. Feb 2008, 19:44 | |||||
I personally like them a lot; Had been privilaged to avail an audition in September, 2007 [I think - dates may be incorrect]. I suggest forum members from North India to make that trip to listen; should be interesting & informative. On the topic of audition, have the western members [of our forum] listened to the Siltech as yet ? Opinions ? Mumbai to Pune is a 1 day turn around. Please do write about it. Thanks. |
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Amp_Nut
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#108 erstellt: 17. Feb 2008, 13:19 | |||||
superczar had qouted from another site :
Seems Randi has twisted and turned many of the facts, on this topic and challenge. If anything, Randi has run away with his tail between his legs and not Stereophile. VERY informative read in the Feb 2008 Stereophile. ( Analog Corner - pages 24, 26, 228,29, 31, 33 ) Some points : 1. The Challenge was taken up by Michael Fremer not S'phile Editor John Atkinson. 2. Randi wanted the A-B-X comparision with Pear Audio's Anjous. Pear declined . 3. Michael Fremer offered to use the Cables he uses at home - the TARA Labs Omegas. Randi Refused ... Then posted messages saying he was admitted to Hospital, and never later accepted MF's challenge... |
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superczar
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#109 erstellt: 21. Feb 2008, 13:44 | |||||
FOund a couple of other interesting reads: http://www.nytimes.c...articles/23down.html http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm |
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bhagwan69
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#110 erstellt: 21. Feb 2008, 14:59 | |||||
Nice articles Sir; Yesterday - Amp Nut was over for a small listening session !! I did a cable swap - TA PLMM & Jorma Design. The results were 'interesting'. I will write about it, but I shall wait for Amp Nut to 'take the lead' Thanks. |
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bombaywalla
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#111 erstellt: 21. Feb 2008, 20:51 | |||||
Amp_Nut, please do take the lead & give us your take on these interesting results from PC swapping. |
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Amp_Nut
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#112 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 04:45 | |||||
Thanks for the clearance, Bhagwan69. I usually refrain from public comments on an individual's system, unless I know its OK with that person... I even know of a person with a High End system who refuses to join the forum or have any forum members over to his place, because he does not want his system written about .. Also, I think it is appropriate that I declare that I have been a firm believer that Power Cords DO affect the system sound... for systems that are revealing enough. I have experimented with CAT-5 & Coax Cable Power Cords and currently use the Top-Of-The Line (?) Cardas Power Cord with my CD player and "Audio Power' cable with my Valve amplifier... All that 'confessed', now about my listen to Bhagwan's system. I have had the pleasure to listen to Bhagwan's system on many occasions and in its many Avtaars, since Bhagwan is very adventerous, and often changes components. When I first got to know bhagwan about 2 years ago, my aim was to 'learn' what the Golden Ears listen to to gauge a system ( and cultivate my own ears to Golden Ears ) I am indebted to Bhagwan69 for the fact that he encouraged me to respect my audio preferences, and not be swayed by what others feel is the "Correct" sound. After all, its for MY enjoyment. That ofcourse does Not mean that I dont cultivate more acute listning capabilities along the lines of what I like to hear... THE LISTNING When I first walked into his room, the system sounded Ordinary, playing Dire Straits. A new Pair of TIDAL Speakers with a Huge ( 30 mm ) Diamond Teweeter were installed. His Gryphon Adagio CD player had been replaced by ( a lower quality, on standby duty ) Metronome CD Player. ( The Metronone itself is Pretty much a GREAT player, if not up to Adagio Standards ) I heard the 2 Way TIDAL speakers upfront, about 6 inches away away from the drivers, and the 2 drivers just did not sound like they had integrated ( played as one ). Even about 3 feet way from the speakers, the drivers did not integrate. I went over to the listning position. It sounded better ... no wait, that is MUCH better, No wait again, MUCH MUCH better .... Actually GREAT ! However, the speakers and the system actually did not draw attention to themselves or present the music in a phenominal manner. But the more I listened carefully, the More the speakers DREW me INTO the music. These are SERIOUS Speakers... Not In-Yr-Face Hi Fi, but just VERY relealing, yet Very Musical. I am an Imaging freak, and the speakers delivered ... They COMPLETELY dissappeared, in the listning position. Forget the drivers not intergrating, the spekers DISAPPEARED. The image was DEEP, Rock Steady and Precise. Some Instruments were playing 10 feet behind the speakers, and well behind the rear wall. All this presented very naturally, without etch or an Exagerated sound stage. The bass was another interesting aspect... the Bass was all there, with Great Resolution, and Very presice Bass imaging. Also, there was ZERO bass overhang that often muddles up sound and frequencies in the lower mid bass and midrange. The sound was Crystal clear, and seemless throughout. But these were SERIOUS speakers, asking for SERIOUS attention. Not something that will throw impressive sounds at you, while you pop food in yr mouth. ( No I did NOT have a drink untill most of the listning was done, and Bhagwan WAS a generous host with the food ) Clearly, this was the best that i have heard Bhawan's system sound, in the past 2 years. Then he changed the CD Player's Power Cord from the Transparent Audio ( to whatever else, it does not matter ) About 10 seconds into the audition with the other PC, and I was ready to leave. I wanted to cherish what I had heard with the Transparent Audio power cords, and keep that memory with me, and know that it was not just a dream. The Other Power Cord ( Just 1 Cord change) COLLAPSED the entire system. The atriculate bass, was muddy, and affecting the voice, the system sounded Lumpy... the magic was gone. Crazy as it may sound, the US $ 1000 investment on that 1 Power Cord was the best Upgrade in the system. Infact, if that cord can do the same in my humble system, I will BUY IT, even though it costs as much as my Integrated amplifier ! Randi, if you got the balls, put yr US $ 1 million on the table, I am comming to pick it up, in a blind listning test ! [Beitrag von Amp_Nut am 22. Feb 2008, 04:53 bearbeitet] |
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bhagwan69
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#113 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 05:11 | |||||
Thank you Sir ! Nice 'report' !! I could never write so eloquently........ Just some small facts :- The Metronome CD Player is the T-1i [Black] 2 box CD Player - France [Much more expensive than the Gryphon Adagio - Almost 100 % more - 15/- K US $'s is the List] The 'Other Power Cord' was from Sweden - Jorma Design - A respectable cable maker. At least I liked it a lot. Used it for 3 + Years....... |
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bhagwan69
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#114 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 05:20 | |||||
Sir, small correction; The List price of the TA - PLMM - US $'s 1,995/- |
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superczar
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#115 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 09:20 | |||||
Amp_nut ji I recently read an interesting article on something called "experimenter expectancy"
Even though I am not saying the difference that you heard (or perceived) stemmed out of this Again, I may be prone to the above problem because if I were to do a power cable test, there is a strong likelihood I'll not hear any difference even if some existed Now having said that, what possible effect 2 metres of flexible cable can have to counteract the kilometres of power company's wiring ... The RF filter perhaps? but anything else? |
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Arj
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#116 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 09:55 | |||||
superczar, you obviously have not read the links i have posted .. http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=cables&m=82423 your question will be answered..How can you learn if you dont read (Just kidding !) Am pasting the relevant part below
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Amp_Nut
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#117 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 10:02 | |||||
There is no convincing answer to that ... yet. But that does not rule out the existance of the fact... Galilio said that the Earth Revolved around the Sun, and not the Sun around the Earth. he said this based on what he observed, and he had the conviction tio say it against all odds..... Sadly for him, the "Proof" came LONG after his life span. ......( seeing was not enough proof then, just as Hearing is not enough proof today ! ) |
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superczar
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#118 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 10:41 | |||||
Music is indeed an art and the nuances of music cannot be explained by science But audio reproduction was created by science...wasn't it? Anyway, I am guesing that if a PC can help cleaning and shaping the (obviously) impure sinewave 220V AC supply line, wouldn't it be a good idea to get hold of a pure sinewave power supply with a normal good grade power cable instead of pairing a bad power supply (from your electricity company) with a very high grade PC http://www.kojo-seiko.co.jp/m1000/m1000.html [Beitrag von superczar am 22. Feb 2008, 10:43 bearbeitet] |
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ani
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#119 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 11:36 | |||||
Generating good quality and QUANTITY of sine wave is not an easy task. Some cos are offering such solutions and they do work, my experience is only with a small power source for my turnatable motor. How the cable changes the sound ? a million dollar question that can only be answered when we fully learn how and what people hear/see add to that what signal processing takes place inside ones brain !! One has to keep ears and eyes open, experience many systems, good ones and bad ones with an open mind. In the end you will be left with a lot of questions for which scientific explanations cannot be found as on date Anil |
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Amp_Nut
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#120 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 11:46 | |||||
1. I completely agree with ani. 2. I would like to also give another audiophile analogy, on what cannot be quantified 'scientifically' but is still Very Much in existance. Stereo SOUND STAGING Many 'Audiophile' have never heard it. and yes, it does require a certain calibre of system, to reproduce a decent sound stage. Yet there is NOT A SINGLE technical parameter that can be used to measure and objectively state, quantify or even 'prove' the existence of o sound stage. Ofcourse there is this Incredibly complex instrument, which does dectect a sound stage The Human Ear. Just because we are born with it, and it came free, lets not ignore it ... |
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bhagwan69
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#121 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 11:58 | |||||
Lovely Example. I can only offer a solution - that comes to my mind. My doors are open. Come One / Come All. Listen, explore and decide for ones own self. If you 'hear' a difference it 'exists' if you do not, even better, at least you know you tried !!! Love & Peace |
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abhi.pani
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#122 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 12:07 | |||||
WOAH!! |
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bhagwan69
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#123 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 12:21 | |||||
Abhiji - What have you to say ? More than :-
Any experiance with power cords ? Have you 'heard' a differance ? Opinion ? Inputs would be appreciated; |
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superczar
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#124 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 12:33 | |||||
Bhagwan-ji, would have loved to drop in if work were to take me visitng Bombay Amp_Nut, Actually Soundstaging is easily explained scientifically... More in-depth analysis can be found, but here is the basic explanation from wikipedia
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Amp_Nut
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#125 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 13:10 | |||||
Can be explained ... and all explanations are Theories ... subject to dispute, like the Power Cord discussion. SOUND STAGING cannot be quatified, or an electrical Go No go test provided that the speakers ( or the entire room + System) will sound stage ? |
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Arj
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#126 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 13:18 | |||||
[quote="superczar"]Bhagwan-ji, would have loved to drop in if work were to take me visitng Bombay Amp_Nut, Actually Soundstaging is easily explained scientifically... More in-depth analysis can be found, but here is the basic explanation from wikipedia [quote] has been quoted before..and I read it in Robert Harleys book about jitter. It was experienced by audiophiles before it was " discovered " in temrs of "differences" between digital cables. at that time sceptics laughed it off saying there cannot be a difference in this because in the end the signal is digital and hence has to be accurate. today it is a known, accepted and measured phenomena. maybe i is just a matter of time before we reach that in power chords as well. |
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Arj
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#127 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 13:19 | |||||
I guess it is one of those which can be explained but cannot be measured ! |
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msb1
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#128 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 16:29 | |||||
Yes. Hearing is a sense like smell or taste, neither of which can be measured in absolute terms but definitely explained. IMHO to hear a difference you must a) have a setup that can reproduce the differences and b) know what you are looking (listening) for and c) your hearing must be tuned to that level. Much like most people will not be able to tell the difference between two good wines or malts, but the difference is definitely there and recognizable. [Beitrag von msb1 am 22. Feb 2008, 16:31 bearbeitet] |
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ani
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#129 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 16:44 | |||||
Ah, good analogy MSB, good wine and cigars. Those not exposed to such luxuries can only see them as extravagances of rich. Are they essential to enjoy ones life ? Who am I to ask ? that is my opinion others may disagree |
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msb1
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#130 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 16:53 | |||||
Is anything 'essential' to enjoy one's life? This is not about what's essential but a hobby, passion or whatever you call it - To each his own! |
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superczar
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#131 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 17:12 | |||||
A good single malt can easily be distinguished from a regular one Within good single malts, the taste of a person would determine his/her preference..some like it peaty, some light The single malt analogy can be applied to an amp, a speaker too, but not cables... The reason why their flavor /taste differ is logically explained, and the taste difference can be discerned by even laymen..a layman perhaps may not be able to describe the exact difference, but there is no way a person with even the most basic taste buds will not be able to tell the quality difference between a 25 year old Talisker and a McDowell single malt Can the same be said about cables? |
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ani
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#132 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 17:28 | |||||
If a lay man can hear and perceive the difference ..yes The end result of malt/grain or any other alcohol is same In case of cables you hear the same music but it differs in its presentation and presentation is what we all enjoy the most. |
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msb1
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#133 erstellt: 22. Feb 2008, 17:51 | |||||
I disagree. Many ppl can tell the difference between 2 vastly different kinds of whiskeys but not everyone can tell the difference between 2 same malts or wines, with say different vintages (10yr / 12 yr). That is an acquired ability. Cables definitely make a difference and this difference gets more obvious when your hearing is atuned to it and your setup is able to reveal those differences. Have you ever actually done an A/B/C comparison? Bhagwan has invited you, so the next time you're in Mumbai go over and listen. Or if you're in the North, come to Amritsar and I will be glad to prove it to you. |
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bhagwan69
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#134 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 06:14 | |||||
Well put sir; Cable Differerence Hearing Ability - of the audiophile Resolution Ability - of the set up Listen to a 6/10 or a 7/10 set up [generally] & try cable change. PC's in the case we are discussing; You will surely 'hear' a difference !! Better or Worse, is a personal call !! p.s. Sir that 25 year old Talisker I would love to drink; If you have and can share, trust me, I will 'fly' to Bangalore [or where ever you are] to spend an evening with you so as to 'sample' some of the 'divine nectre' !!!! |
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Arj
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#135 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 06:21 | |||||
how true and apt Anil .. Having spent some time in france had the occassion to spend some time with the french most of whom have an understanding of wines. As a first time gulper of wine the different tastes and aftertastes in the front and the back of the tongue as well as in the throat and its permutations always made me feel they were totally phsycological...until i learnt to feel them too although still cannot articulate them (Actually the learning experience is much more difficult here as after a couple of sips the state of mind is in a different "level" ) |
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ani
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#136 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 07:10 | |||||
It is cheaper to experiment with Talisker 25 yrs old than with PLMM !! Provided they have stock of it |
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Arj
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#137 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 08:06 | |||||
Aah..but once you drink it, its Gone Gone Gone... with the cable u can sell it or use it forever In the end the cable is an insurable asset with some Liquidity built in..while the drink is All liquid (no tee;) ) |
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Arj
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#138 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 10:36 | |||||
another view of it from Fremer ! http://www.stereophile.com/thinkpieces/021708swiftboat/ |
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Amp_Nut
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#139 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 13:58 | |||||
Hi Arj, Thanks for the link. Guys this is a MUST Read for all ( Including superczar ). This is what I was referring to, when I had posted :
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bhagwan69
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#140 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 14:19 | |||||
Maybe, but the PLMM I have - 3 of them - The Talisker 25 I have not had the pleasure of tasting;;; 18 is the max I have tasted & 12 I own [have 2 bottles]. |
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msb1
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#141 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 14:28 | |||||
Sir, I couldn't resist but ask: Does the difference between the PLMM and other's vary if you've drunk 18 or 12? I will stock up accordingly! |
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bhagwan69
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#142 erstellt: 23. Feb 2008, 15:35 | |||||
Nice one Sir !!
Trust me, no alcohol was consumed - rather not needed. The difference is so apparent; it is known in less than 10 seconds. I have not tested the PLMM with the ones lower down the chain from Transparent - so I cannot comment on that. I did the test with vdH [van den hul] & Jorma Design. No Brainer !!! |
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bombaywalla
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#143 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 00:06 | |||||
Hi MSB1, I'm good friends with Bhagwan & also have my home in BOM not very far from where Bhagwan lives. However, actually, I hail from the state that you live in & Amritsar happpens to be where my ancestral home is post-Partition. The next time I visit BOM, I will make an effort to visit Harminder Sahibji to matha-takko & will also try to visit you to audition your system. I would love to hear your Rockport speakers. |
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bombaywalla
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#144 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 00:22 | |||||
I believe that it can be said. The reason that the taste of food is more easily discerned by all & sundry is that people eat food atleast 3 times a day for their entire life-span. That's HELL OF A LOT OF TRAINING for the taste buds to recognize & distinguish good, better & best tasting foods. A human-being does not have to be very old to distinguish food taste - one has to look at a 4-5 month old baby starting to eat semi-solid foods! Now, in comparison, how much training does the human ear get distinguishing the nuances of music? MOST PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO MUSIC do just that, they LISTEN; they do not HEAR! hence the subtlties escape them & they average out the music experience between 2 A/B sessions & conclude that practically nothing changed. The next you listen to music, ask yourself what is the objective of that listening session: * is it to kill an afternoon while you have feet up on the ottoman listening to some melifluous tunes while your minds wanders? * is it to provide background music while you surf the net/read the newspaper/chat w/ your spouse, etc? * is it to provide stress relief from work - so you are shedding the office events while your body & mind relax to the music? * OR, is it to actually to intently listen to how the instruments sound, how the voice sounds, whether the sound-stage can paint an image of where the performers are & how they are playing their resp instruments, etc? if your objective is one of the 1st 3, you are probably correct - the PC upgrade/swap is of little value to you. If your objective is the 4th one, 10 seconds will be too much time needed by to distinguish a change in sound - you need just a few commencing notes to let you. The question for you is: do you listen? or do you hear? |
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bhagwan69
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#145 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 04:17 | |||||
Bobbaywalla - Well put !!! 'Serious Listening Sessions' can be very very 'taxing' That is why, each time I go to an Audio Show, I get too tired by the end of the day. Full concentration listening is rather draining. Casual Listening is what most persons do, hence the differences cannot be heard by them. More often people do not know what it is they are looking for ? The Tone, The Layer, The Placement [of the person], The Instrument Size, Individual / Instrument Placement etc. Auditioning can be made into a serious business. However, one needs to spend time, travel, listen to various set ups, interact with others, keep an open mind etc. etc. |
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ani
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#146 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 06:40 | |||||
Bombaywalla, very well put. Will mark this as one of your best posts Regards Anil |
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msb1
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#147 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 06:56 | |||||
Hi. You're most welcome. I'm from Bombay actually. Moved here 6-7 yrs ago. |
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Arj
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#148 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 08:27 | |||||
Sirji thats two emphatic proverbial nails on the head ! very very much quotable. really loved your comparison there are many people for whom food is just a form of energy and taste does not matter..only timing and quantity. then there are those who savour the experience so much of difference in trying to just enjoy the music as well as do an analytical study. and unfortunately so many people miss out on the fact that BOTH can be done for a fulfilling experience [Beitrag von Arj am 24. Feb 2008, 08:44 bearbeitet] |
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superczar
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#149 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 12:53 | |||||
anytime sir...i am based out of chennai Though I personally prefer Glenlivet 12 over the Talisker (thankfully ) |
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bhagwan69
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#150 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 14:39 | |||||
We sure have 'opposite' tastes in Single Malts; You have the Talisker 25 with you ?? Great; I have never had a chance to have that. I will come to Chennai only for that - if the case be. [I actually have family in Chennai & friends too !!!] This trip I shall make........someday. The Glenlivet 12 is not a SM I would pick - given a choice of 3 to 5 Malts. Let us not hikack this topic of Power Cords into Single Malts. I know Amp Nut & me too have our 'divergent' preferances. I like Ben Nevis & Balvenie New Wood 17 - just to name a few. I hate Laphroaig & Glenfiddich & Isle of Jura etc. I have a taste book for my drinking notes & I take my Single Malts very seriously. 3rd only after Audio & Watches. |
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msb1
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#151 erstellt: 24. Feb 2008, 15:57 | |||||
Glenlivet 12 over Talisker 25? I would prefer any Talisker over most of the Glens, but this is my personal choice. And yes everyone, stop hijacking the Power Cable thread with Single Malts! Where's a moderator when you need one? Cheers.. |
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- Replacing Stock Jumpers on NAD/Marantz
- FYI: Cadence latest price list
- One speaker "louder" than the other?
- TNT triple T loudspeaker cable
- Vincent SV 231
- Planar speakers
- Best Amp for Quad 11L? Nad vs Rotel vs Marantz vs CA
- Is Jamo E-series worth it?
Top 10 Threads in Stereo (Engl.) der letzten 50 Tage
- Good speakers for old system
- Jamo Concert E750 and E770
- Replacing Stock Jumpers on NAD/Marantz
- FYI: Cadence latest price list
- One speaker "louder" than the other?
- TNT triple T loudspeaker cable
- Vincent SV 231
- Planar speakers
- Best Amp for Quad 11L? Nad vs Rotel vs Marantz vs CA
- Is Jamo E-series worth it?
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