Does CDP really matter

naaa..u've got it wrong buddy....i too used to think along the same lines...
but my DIY speakers were pretty good to make us hear a clear difference between my HK unviersal player nad the entry level NAd521..
The HK sounded more brittle and edgy in the highs while giving a more wider and livelier soundstage..
however, the NAD was tonally better balanced though the image appeared a bit enclosed.

It matters as long as you have a system that can bring out htat difference..and of course if u can ehar itwhich if u don't u would be richer than most of us here

Debu schrieb:

Hi, I am of the opinion that CDP does not matter much as long as you are using a decent one with digital/ optical output. Here is my logic: - The data is stored digitally in a CD - CDP pumps out the same digital data in a stream thru the digital/ optical output One may argue that some CDP may make the digital data corrupted/ add jitter etc. However, the probability of such a thing may be negligible for any respected brand, as digital data is quite robust. IMO, dont spend lot of money on exotic CDPs, buy any philips/ samsung/ sony, etc. for abt 3K, and use the digital, preferably optical output. Cheers, - Debu

Debu,
Have you swore that you would always make such controversial statements in a thread and then watch the game from a distance
you seem to be an alias of Trojan_Horse

this certainly seems like a troll post. Not bothering to answer!

but my DIY speakers were pretty good to make us hear a clear difference between my HK unviersal player nad the entry level NAd521..

May be you are using the line/ preamp o/p of the HK player. Can you do an unbiased experiment (with same CD, with digital/ optical o/p only) and compare the sound.

Cheers,
-Debu

It matters as long as you have a system that can bring out htat difference..and of course if u can ehar itwhich if u don't u would be richer than most of us here

How true. cheers mate

Debu, Have you swore that you would always make such controversial statements in a thread and then watch the game from a distance you seem to be an alias of Trojan_Horse

Dear Pani,

What makes you think that he has made controversial statements as this topic has been discussed to death everywhere. . Troj where's he........

Debu, Have you swore that you would always make such controversial statements in a thread and then watch the game from a distance you seem to be an alias of Trojan_Horse

Hey,

What do you mean by controversial statements?? And why do you take my name when I'm not around??

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Debu, Have you swore that you would always make such controversial statements in a thread and then watch the game from a distance you seem to be an alias of Trojan_Horse Hey, What do you mean by controversial statements?? And why do you take my name when I'm not around??

The point is you are there as soon as I take your name...

Dude if you happen to know I log-in every day and read all posts..

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Dude if you happen to know I log-in every day and read all posts.. ;)

And reply when somebody takes your name...

Yes I'm active on german forum as there are some juicy topics. BTW why do you put that evil smile

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Yes I'm active on german forum as there are some juicy topics. BTW why do you put that evil smile :KR

Just wondering what are you upto this time....

Just wondering what are you upto this time....

Hey dude your signature is funny..

What ya mean by Anytime Abhi... some kinda desperacy

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Just wondering what are you upto this time.... Hey dude your signature is funny.. What ya mean by Anytime Abhi... some kinda desperacy

Ya desperacy to know more.

Good dude BTW whats your set up doing and any upgrades

Setup is doing big time...
Upgrade...ummmm...looks like there is sometime. First I need to get the basics done viz Stands (for the Standmount speakers), Servo Stab and some very basic room treatments. Only after all that comes upgrade.

What about you ? Howz your all Krell doing...Is it in India?

Krell in india and I'm in Aus

OOPs it's time for some dinner.

Hey, u guys are supposed to have a Krell vs. Plinius face-off right? When? We're looking forward to the results!!

And no bloodshed please!

Shahrukh schrieb:

Hey, u guys are supposed to have a Krell vs. Plinius face-off right? When? We're looking forward to the results!! And no bloodshed please! ;)

When Horsey is back in India..
Bloodshed....umm..cant guarantee

well this topic is exactly menat by the term "Flogging a Dead horse"

No offense meant to Trojan Horse tho..

Krell v/s plinus! huh I have done A-B's and plinius is boring. Rolled off performance.

Hey Krell beats the shit out of Plinius any day dudes, so where's the reason for face-off.

Arj you look like a conflictor to me.

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Krell v/s plinus! huh I have done A-B's and plinius is boring. Rolled off performance. Hey Krell beats the shit out of Plinius any day dudes, so where's the reason for face-off. Arj you look like a conflictor to me. :D

Hey cmon dude...you are getting back on your words...you said we will do a A/B here when you are back.
Even I have auditioned Krell with Dynaudio and found it boring and without any soul in the music. Whats the point ??

Lets not cat-fight here on this forum..do a A/B one on one back to back... and post our findings on the forum, that would make sense IMO.

Dude which Krell int amp did you listen to? and with which dyn's book shelves? Or did you by any chance listen to some junked up shi*ty Pleateau current biasing models.


I never ever told you i would do an A/B of my stereo power amp's Class A bridged with a little Plinius and tiny Dyn's.
Get yourself something to think dude.

The day I think of an AB with int amps i will throw away my gear.

guys if i can butt in, a AB between a krell KSA Monoblock and an entry level Plinius will not do any justice to either party since they are on different market segments.

the plinius 8100/9100 with a KAV400/300 or the KSAs with a plinius SA series would be interesting though.. and am sure we will anyway end up with "to each his own "

sinece all of these monsters can drive any speaker am sure the results will be different with each.

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Dude which Krell int amp did you listen to? and with which dyn's book shelves? Or did you by any chance listen to some junked up shi*ty Pleateau current biasing models. I never ever told you i would do an A/B of my stereo power amp's Class A bridged with a little Plinius and tiny Dyn's. Get yourself something to think dude. The day I think of an AB with int amps i will throw away my gear.

Ok, while I get myself something to think...you need to watch your words and stop getting abusive
you seem to have forgotten but here is what I wrote:

Hey buddy, please dont assume things... I have auditioned the Krell KAV-2250 with a Dynaudio Audience 82 and Wadia CDP (for 4 hours at a stretch)..........you know what a Plinius 8200 beats the pants out of that Krell monster. Yes....I mean it. Come over to my place if you wanna take it further........I agree that Krells have a lot of power reserve to drive difficult loads. But talking about listenable levels of music, Plinius is way way way more involving and musical. Cmon buddy......I know you can drag this discussion for another 100 postings without coming to a conclusion... So why dont you drop in sometimes....I dont have a krell to give you an A/B comparision at my place but still if you have heard the Krell then its good enough to realise that PLINIUS IS GOD...... Now please dont mess up this thread with your same old nasty postings...

So now you know which Krell and what speakers I was talking about ????
Now this Krell + Audience82 + Wadia setup was easily beaten by my "tiny" Plinius + Audience52 + NAD setup.

As Arj says, if you wanna do a absolute A/B then listen to Plinius SA series amp but if you have enough brains to do a A/B on a scale to scale basis then you are welcome to listen to my system.

And about this:

The day I think of an AB with int amps i will throw away my gear.

Dont get Arrogant dude, its just a solid state amp connected to a very normal speaker that you use...you dont use a "moon" as amp and "sun" as a speaker do you ??

bombaywalla schrieb:

this certainly seems like a troll post. Not bothering to answer! :KR

Could not agree more !

Bhagwan69

How are you 'Bombaywalla' ? Been a while;

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Krell v/s plinus! huh I have done A-B's and plinius is boring. Rolled off performance. Hey Krell beats the shit out of Plinius any day dudes, so where's the reason for face-off. Arj you look like a conflictor to me. :D

Not that I want to get invloved in this one - it seems to be personal

But, I still want to comment on Krell & Plinus, if I may.

Dan D'Agustino was [still is] a 'speaker designer' He made amplifiers by accident. Krell makes amplifiers for the 'american market'. Either one loves them or one hates them, it is very simple. There is no 'grey' here. I know a few 'audiophiles' that love Krells & others that would not buy an 'evolution' set up @ 75 % Off !!!!!

Plinius [Peter Thomson] on the other hand, is a bit confused, does not clearly know what it wants ? Class 'A' or Class 'A/B' ? Circuit topology in its different amps are different. There is no brand design philosophy.
Maybe with new owners, things would improve.

Do not get into comparing 2 average products, if it is SS Amplification one wants, then Lamm / Accuphase / Pass Labs / Ayre / GamuT / Jeff Rowland / Theta etc. are options to consider, there an A / B would be a more interesting option.....Just a thaught !!!

BHAGWAN69

So now you know which Krell and what speakers I was talking about ???? Now this Krell + Audience82 + Wadia setup was easily beaten by my "tiny" Plinius + Audience52 + NAD setup.

You talking of a class AB Krell and you are free to compare, but not mine dude and as arj said it's SA what does a good comparo.

but if you have enough brains to do a A/B on a scale to scale basis then you are welcome to listen to my system.

Are you crazy about AB ing ?? Why should I compare it with all entry level components.

Poor soul.Read this what you wrote!!!!!!

Dont get Arrogant dude, its just a solid state amp connected to a very normal speaker that you use...you dont use a "moon" as amp and "sun" as a speaker do you ??

I never claimed I user sun and moon, but it looks like you seek a free listen everywhere and compare it to your entry level second hand give away components.

Are you crazy about AB ing ?? Why should I compare it with all entry level components.

You are such a Loser man....
Looks like you never had a Krell setup (because a few months back you were crying in this forum to suggest a sub-woofer for under 20k since your entry level Onkyo HT didnt give you adequate bass) else why do you behave in such a wierd fashion whenever I talk about listening to both the systems side by side ??? Dont act too smart, everyone knows what you are worth of.

I never claimed I user sun and moon, but it looks like you seek a free listen everywhere and compare it to your entry level second hand give away components.

So Mr.WannaBeSmart, at how many places have you paid for listening to a system ???
BTW my entry-level stuffs are far far better than your exit-level goods (which never exists).

Now dont run around dancing on this forum with your fake equipments...if you are so ashamed to disclose your actual system (Onkyo) then go and buy yourself something decent and then come and dance here, you would look better ...

bhagwan69 schrieb:

bombaywalla schrieb: this certainly seems like a troll post. Not bothering to answer! :KR Could not agree more ! Bhagwan69 How are you 'Bombaywalla' ? Been a while;

Hi Bhagwan69,
I'm doing fine these days. How about yourself? yes, it's been a while. Hope that you are doing well & in good spirits.
Best Regards
Bombaywalla

I hope that the Moderator steps in here soon as this fight between abhi.pani & TROJAN_HORSE appears that it'll spin more out-of-control very soon!

abhi.pani & TROJAN_HORSE: can I earnestly request you guys to take your differences off-line (PM each other, for example)? Except for your resp posts, this thread has been quite civil.
Thanks!

abhi, trojan.
would appreciate you take your arguments to a private domain, pm's e-mail etc.

manek.

bombaywalla schrieb:

I hope that the Moderator steps in here soon as this fight between abhi.pani & TROJAN_HORSE appears that it'll spin more out-of-control very soon! abhi.pani & TROJAN_HORSE: can I earnestly request you guys to take your differences off-line (PM each other, for example)? Except for your resp posts, this thread has been quite civil. Thanks! :)

abhi, trojan. would appreciate you take your arguments to a private domain, pm's e-mail etc. manek.

Yah..I am out of this from now on...no more replies in this thread. Sorry for the inconvinience guys.

Dear Manek,
Dear Bombaywalla,

Lots have been discuused in my absence.


This is my last post and as your suggestion about settling things thru PM is good, but abhi has raised some serious allegations here, So my last post regarding this carries some civilised logic.

You are such a Loser man.... Looks like you never had a Krell setup (because a few months back you were crying in this forum to suggest a sub-woofer for under 20k since your entry level Onkyo HT didnt give you adequate bass) else why do you behave in such a wierd fashion whenever I talk about listening to both the systems side by side ??? Dont act too smart, everyone knows what you are worth of.

Ho ho what made you assume I had a entry level Onkyo,
Hey dude does buying a sub for 20k make you stay far from Krell, Yes I need a decent set up for HT to entertain my family too.

BTW you were running around with your antique sonodyne, just audi's and no buying for two years so how do I beleive that you have Plin + Dyn costing a moderately?? sound logical right if I have to think in your dimension.I have a doubt that you are still sitting with your old sonodyne and just crapping around town.


Me and a loser, never. I always told you to drop in to my pad for a listen and if you want an AB you better get something equalient or else come for a listen session and GL.

BTW my entry-level stuffs are far far better than your exit-level goods (which never exists). Now dont run around dancing on this forum with your fake equipments...if you are so ashamed to disclose your actual system (Onkyo) then go and buy yourself something decent and then come and dance here, you would look better ...

Dear me what attitude with BS and entry level stuff, so imagine how big my ego shud be.


I don't need to prove my set-up to anyone and it's you who is dancing on the forum and not me. Period.

I hate to butt in this really interesting post but can we please have children above the age of 18 make posts on this forum since the kids are really creating nuisance. Trojan Horse you remind me of.....forget it
And Abhi, please try and not reply to Trojan Horse.

I hate to butt in this really interesting post but can we please have children above the age of 18 make posts on this forum since the kids are really creating nuisance. Trojan Horse you remind me of.....forget it And Abhi, please try and not reply to Trojan Horse.

Excellent friend, please read all the posts carefully and you'll understand who's a kid and who's not.

By the look of your perceptions it lokks to me that you are a kid who can't even read, huh read it dude and understand the rationale.

BTW let others know what do I remind you of and I will tell all what you are.

BTW can you let me know why should you prevent someone from replying and nobody invited you for your WTF opinion.

Hey is this forum or kurukshetra?

There is a silly fight from Daredevil and nobody bothering to reply and Trojan Horse and Abhi Pani are fighting like cats.

Please guys lets chill.

Peace.

Panditr,
Your suggestion of not replying to Trojan seems fine...but if you think you are a rare adult on this forum and you have some reservations against reading posts that doesnt suit your mental/physical age then you are free to avoid such posts/threads. Nobody would ever force you to read them. But whats the point in going through the whole thread and then commenting that it doesnt suits your taste/age ?
I mean, I cant help it.