Acoustics Portrait

I have the 301's and perfectly happy with them. It was huge jump in quality from the wharfedale diamond 8.4 I owned before.
Best thing is to listen for yourself. You can contact siva on this forum for an audition.

Hi Square wave, are APs better than or equal to Dyna Aud72/82?. I've not listened to APs so far. If it's equally good, then I wish to 've a glimpse of them when I'm in B'Lore.

I am waiting for the reply....

Hey Powersupply,
i have heard the Dynaudio 52 with the Plinius 8100 in a squarish, untreated room(Abhi's ) and it beat the AP 301/Plinius SA-102 combo .....
Then again, it depends on so many other parameters...make ur own decision...

Juggy, your spkr choice would also depend on your choice of music...Siva once told me that his spkrs are best suited for Hindustani (to be heard by people aged 30+... )

I heard some Jazz & Flyod on his 301s and they were really revealing...not so much with Dream Theater...

Best is to check them out urself with your choice of music...

powersupply schrieb:

Hi Square wave, are APs better than or equal to Dyna Aud72/82?. I've not listened to APs so far. If it's equally good, then I wish to 've a glimpse of them when I'm in B'Lore.

As I said, it is best you go and listen for yourself. As somebody, else said, it depends on many other parameters like your taste in music and what you consider as good sound. Have you heard the audience 82/72 ? If that is your bench mark, pls PM me about what qualities you liked in them and what you want bettered. Then I may be able to help you. Unless I know where you stand, I can’t comment on anything. A cousin of mine who owns the Bose 901 powered by an ancient Akai behemoth amplifier does not like my speakers and I can’t stand his system for a minute. It all depends on what you consider as good sound. All speakers sound different due to their voicing and drivers. Dynaudio has their fans but there are experienced audiophiles who hate them. So it is for you to decide. Most of siva’s customers are senior audiophiles who does not hang around on this forum so you won’t get much help here with that brand. PM Siva and have a listen yourself.

Note: Unless you listen to the same speakers in the same room with the same electronics with the same music sitting in the same chair, you can’t compare the quality of different speakers. So it is a totally frustrating exercise commenting on another speaker unless you even out all the variables.

Saachi wrote [quote]i have heard the Dynaudio 52 with the Plinius 8100 in a squarish, untreated room(Abhi's ) and it beat the AP 301/Plinius SA-102 combo[/quote]Must be an xlent combo

squarewave> in general I asked how the SQ compared to Dyna. If they are good speakers, it should play all music reasonably well. I don't think that any Mnfr will produce his speakers / electronics - labeling for Jazz only, Rock only...etc..May be the little flaws in those, would be advantageous to some genre of music, this is just my guessing.

What I like in any speakers is just the SQ, good highs & mids & well defined/authoritative bass. Is this not the duty of the speaker, if you feed them with the good signal?

[/quote]Unless you listen to the same speakers in the same room with the same electronics with the same music sitting in the same chair, you can’t compare the quality of different speakers. So it is a totally frustrating exercise commenting on another speaker unless you even out all the variables.[quote]
This big excercise is not rqrd to make out some basic SQ of the speakers. With your some of Ref CDs you make it easily. Pl note I'm not Fan of any thing, just I love all good sounding eqmnts.

powersupply schrieb:

I don't think that any Mnfr will produce his speakers / electronics - labeling for Jazz only, Rock only...etc..May be the little flaws in those, would be advantageous to some genre of music, this is just my guessing.

Good point, but I would not call them flaws, rather its characteristics of the speakrs that would make them more suited for a particular style of sound. For example if you listen to Polk Audio, its a little on the brighter side and more suitable for those who prefer loud music or party a lot whereas Kef's sound is a little laid back and more suited for Jazz and the likes...just my humble opinion.

I agree that it would be wrong to judge a piece of HiFi equipment in isolation but its their individual traits that would make them gel better (or worse) with another piece in the chain.

Like the signature says, is it the music or the machine you'd rather go with?

Music......thru' a good machine

The room and associated equipment has a huge impact on the sound produced so any statement based on comparisons without taking care of this variable has to be taken with a grain (sack) of salt. Jeeves who is a senior audiophile on this forum has a pair of proac studio 125 so does another friend of mine. Both have different electronics and I sometimes wonder if they are the same speakers when I listen to both their systems.
For me, the 301’s play most music perfectly well. I listen to Jazz, blues, classic rock (pink floyd, direstraits, steely dan, dave mathews band etc..) , folk, classical (western). Basically a wide variety except heavy metal, bubble-gum pop and electronica.

You are right. Nobody creates speakers only for any genre of music unless you go for some super specialty speaker voiced only for a certain type of listener in mind. For example, most won’t like to hear heavy metal on a pair of “ rethm the second”. But is true that the further you go up the ladder, the better the speakers will sound with complex music material like western classical. Try listening to western classical on an entry level JBL or Wharfedale and you will want to walk away. Mostly listeners who are into Jazz, western classical, vocals and well recorded rock look for natural timbre and tone in the sound because you can relate to that in real life. Such customers are hard to please and naturally they will look for refined speakers. Most people label such speakers as good for “jazz/classical only” but this assumption is wrong in my honest opinion.


I have not compared the 301’s directly to aud 82/72 so can’t really say how this speaker differs in voicing to those. I have had the the audience 42 sitting atop the 301’s for a fortnight or so (belongs to a friend) and another 45k jamo floorstander (forgot the model) also on home demo long back. The jamo was total crap compared to the 301s. The aud 42 is a good speaker but I like the mids and highs of the 301’s better. In addition to this, I have had the opportunity to compare the 301’s to the proac studio 125/130, audience 52se at absolute phase in Bangalore in the same room and I would say they compare very well. It all finally boils down to your taste. I guess you owe yourself an audition.

square, When you 've not listened to Aud 72/82, then you cannot debate on comparison, why such big write up. Below theory is fine & known by even freshers too.

Why I asked this qn is one known poor salarised guy has some good deal on 72 or 82(I'm not sure which one) & planning to go for it. I'm sure Dyns are very expensive & incase APs are of some thing like (characters) Dyns, I wanted that guy to give a try to APs. Only issue would be APs will not 've resale value (incase you want to dipose it off or upgrade further etc.) like Dyns, that's all. Ofcourse, one has to pay for quality of sound & as well for the built.

My appologies for the long post
Both speakers will satisfy most parameters needed to qualify as good hi-rez loudspeakers but will sound different due to design parameters/voicing and drivers. Dynaudio drivers sound different to Vifa. Only your friend can say after an audition

Both speakers will satisfy most parameters needed to qualify as good hi-rez loudspeakers but will sound different due to design parameters/voicing and drivers

Dear Vinny,

Don't you think this statement of yours is very generic..fine since you've heard both Dyn's and AP's maybe in diffrent rooms, set ups, music etc etc...but each do always have a characteristic of their own no matter what or where you play..So why not let us know what's your opinion on these two..

Square, I feel SUB_BOSS is right. I wanted to know the diff in characters

Sonic characters of Dynes and APs...
They are quiet different in my opinion..

Dynes are very transp in Highs and very very airy but as far as the APs the highs are not so but they are nice

when it comes to mids Dynes sing very well for the female voice but APs shine in the Male vocals

Kick drum... APs are the best i mean the MTM config one MS 301 is the model. Dynes are also good but they go down and the tightness is not as much as the APs...

Frankly speaking it all depends upon your taste...so go and audition the systems...

If your like it buy it...

If you like a bit dark and laid back sound they sure you will pick the APs....

Hello all,

You know, this debate could go on and on. Of all components in the audio chain, the quality of music reproduction through speakers is the most subjective of all. Speakers are the most difficult to get tonally right - even slight differences can have major subjective consequences. And, just as we were discussing in another topic on this forum, each persons recognition of tone differs.

So, to judge, you just have to listen for yourself!

Somehow, the infatuation for products imported from abroad continues. A critique of any well known imported brand is instantly disbelieved. I have heard many systems in my years in the US and here, and let me assure you, there is no constancy of sound. Even within the same product range from the same manufacturer, differences are large. And when models change every year, it's impossible to carry a generalised impression.

It may be difficult, but when you seek a true impression, you have no choice but to hear it yourself!

Viren.

My vote is to viren.... Yes ofcourse the simple and straight forewared thing is that to listen and buy...

cheers,
Sandeep

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Both speakers will satisfy most parameters needed to qualify as good hi-rez loudspeakers but will sound different due to design parameters/voicing and drivers Dear Vinny, Don't you think this statement of yours is very generic..fine since you've heard both Dyn's and AP's maybe in diffrent rooms, set ups, music etc etc...but each do always have a characteristic of their own no matter what or where you play..So why not let us know what's your opinion on these two..

I too second viren here. The person has to listen and decided himself. I have known enough enthusiasts/audiophiles in the last 10 years and believe me, most opinions are just generic in nature and very subjective based on ones expectations and other factors. You can only take the advice of somebody who has similar taste as yourself so any suggestions by me would be very misleading. In addition to this, the MS 301 can sound very different with different amps and sources. All this opinions like “ dark”, “ airy” , female/male vocals etc..are all dependent on the associated electronics and setup.

I have not heard the audience 72/82 at all, so can’t say anything about them. I can give subjective opinions about the audience 42 based on hearing them in my room for a fortnight. I liked the warmth and body of the ms 301 in the highs and mids better than the aud 42. This is based on listening to lot of well recorded Jazz and blues/classic rock. I found the highs to be thin with the aud 42. I am not much of a fan of the audience series. In fact I liked the Linn katan better than the audience 52se. But this is all subjective based on my taste. Somebody else may like the dyns better.