Indian Dealer / Distributor - Audio Prices & Attitudes !!!

Arj schrieb:

If there is anything worse that you can do than posting a infalmmatory and provocative post, it is to respond to one peace :prost

I agree……. I am outa this thread……..

deaf schrieb:

newtohifi schrieb: Prithvi schrieb: Siva very clearly mentioned the amount of stuff the SIngapore /Dubai dealers sell, we indian D./D are nothing. I have personally seen both places and the amount these guys import and stock is shocking, this is beacuse their system is far superior than ours and not to forget the import duties are very small. Good prices will surely increase the demand and sales. In any other trade too, you get a better pricing if you order more. Sorry guys, hate to nitpick here. But a few thoughts i would like to share/get clarified. As i see it there are very few distributors in India. For instance, Pro FX, Onkyo, Jamo. These guys qualify as distributors. Now, they carry if not the entire range, a sizable range of their products and are well stocked. No one can dispute this. The same in Dubai or any other place. When they say that they are distributors they should carry their entire or almost all their products. Not say that we get them on order. The way i see it, Siva doesn't sell the entire range of Vifa producst and certainly none of Scan Speak. Even the VIfa he carries only a selected few from the Classic line. The same goes with Prithvi. He carries a few products that are there one day, gone the next. He isn't the distributor for ProAc, some company in Kerela is. He ain't the distributor for Linn, the same company in Kerela is. He isn't even the distributor for Musical Fidelity or even acoustic energy for that matter. All that he is, is another link in the chain that drives up costs for us customers(its true). AFAIK, he doesn't stock any item. The reson for this is now clear. Someone else stores it, he gtets it, marks up a huge percentage on it and peddles it to customers like us. Nothing wrong n it one might say. In fact i will agree that he is probably one of the more knowledgable guys out there who are in this business. But the fact remains that he too is a part of the problem, if one wants to byu quality stuff at cheaper prices. All you see in his place are those that he did not manage to sell or some hand me downs(demo stuff) from the real distributors like, Audiopeople, Travancore Balers and Reference Point. Prithvi schrieb: If we in India have such a system in place, then I am sure we D/D can even order in huge amounts and give fab prices on par with Singapore/Dubai to our customers. I still feel that its no use bitching or fighting weather this dealer or distributor is good or bad or whatever. Just support your D/D and see how things will change. Just imagine if each and every customer decides that he will support his/her D/D and buy the products from India and not Singapore./Dubai, one thing for sure the grey market will die. Secondly each D/D will try and improve his set-up/service etc. He will invest more for better infrastructure as he knows business is improving. ROFL!! Invest in infrastructure! Comeon Prithvi. Take a look around you at your room and tell me what infrastucture you have in place there. Honestly! YOu are running your business outof a garage. For God's sake man, is this what you call infrastructure. The carpet is barely hanging on and you don't even have proper chairs for your customers to sit on for auditioning. For furniture you use your friend's racks. Forget all that, where's your board!? Comeon, you could at least eke out a little to put up a decent board. YOu have hardly put any investment in and you claim that you need to make money before you do any and you want us to support you guys blindly?! Have you gone into the Jamo showroom. Now there's investment in infrastructure. THe atmosphere feels professional and you feel good when you walk in there. Now over to Siva. Sir, where is your board. you are supposed to be a distributor, manufacturer and what not. Where is the board to prove all that. You too haven't made any investment as far as i can tell. You are running it out of your basement and have some curtains to make it seem like you have done some kind of acoustics. Even those are flimsy. You don't stock much and also you don't give a bill. At least not for me. Yet, you charged me VAT. Let's not kid ourselves here. Take a realistic view. Don't simply castigate this post of mine as an attack. Don't shoot it down,take it a good sense and try to act on the points that i have noted. Prithvi schrieb: IMHO these are my views. They are open to any discussions. Instead of we guys talking like crap, weather its a dealer, distributor or a client, we must make this forum a better place for up coming guys who are interested in this wonderful world of audio. We must try and get more members to join this forum. Rgds Prithvi Manek, i have simply put down my views and have not used any harsh or offensive language. These are just my observations and i feel I am entitled to air them here. However, its left to you to make a call ont his. Alright!. Am up agaisnt the wall now. Let the shots fly. I begin to see his point now.It is really interesting.I think customers should go straight to the manufacturer,look into their manufacturing costs,factor in a percentage and pay the manufacturer directly.I really see the business growing that way in leaps and bounds,as all end users will get great prices and the whole audio scene will grow hugely. Why audio, we should do this in every thing in life.Want medicines lets go straight to manufacturer or to the chemist who has a great interior and furnishings and bargain on the price there too.Hell it costs 15-20 paise all inclusive for an asprin(manufacturing,marketing,etc etc including research),why pay a buck for each,infact by your arguement, where is all this money going?Similarly, want vegetables, grow it in your back yard,the damn vegetable vendor is fleecing us in the metros and he isn't even wearing an Armani suit when he sells us the stuff. As for Prithvi,I think he knows nothing in audio for which he should be paid ,and that chap in Kerela is an even bigger idiot for trusting him,to do a job which he himself can do as he has all the time in the world anyways. Do the business and be the shining example for all of us to follow,after you commercially succeed that is.Then judge others. Regards Deaf. Regards Deaf.

Now thats bad to say the least....

This guy NewToHifi has genuinely put down some real facts and as commented by Bhagwan, he has done it in a decent manner without using any 'Colourful' language. Now instead of responding to each of his comments pointwise, there was just this sarcastic comment from deaf which just steared the discussion again to a dirty land. I mean why ?? If a commercial member has to respond then he should do it with a responsibility so as to actually clarify the points put up by a fellow forum member/consumer rather than just spitting out few sarcastic comments to drag the discussion away from the facts (in this case put up by newtohifi).

Its a fact that Prithvi doesnt have a acoustically well treated listening room and for that matter quite a cramped place to audition hifi. Same goes with his Board. I know its his personal preference but then why talk about huge investments on infrastructure ?? This is just one of the valid points that I have taken up as an example which was not answered. Similarly there are others.

Either dont entertain such comments (even if they are valid as in this case) on this forum else do make sure that the comments are accepted in proper sense and replied accordingly.

We are not fools not to understand your intention Mr.deaf of stearing the discussion elsewhere just for the sake of staying clear from answering Mr.newtohifi's genuine comments (not all but quite a few). If you have to respond kindly do it with sense.

I have said that I will only talk on technical stuff and so it remains.
I will PM you on this one.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Now thats bad to say the least.... This guy NewToHifi has genuinely put down some real facts and as commented by Bhagwan, he has done it in a decent manner without using any 'Colourful' language. Now instead of responding to each of his comments pointwise, there was just this sarcastic comment from deaf which just steared the discussion again to a dirty land. I mean why ?? If a commercial member has to respond then he should do it with a responsibility so as to actually clarify the points put up by a fellow forum member/consumer rather than just spitting out few sarcastic comments to drag the discussion away from the facts (in this case put up by newtohifi).

Abi,

What point wise response do you want. Do you expect commercial members to publish thier profit/loss sheet on the internet to prove thier turnover and business to some irresponsible comment....that comes from wild imagination and superiority complex. This is absolute rubbish.

Read the fact abhi (from earlier response of Newtohifi)....the truth is crystal clear. You cannot become a hero by lying and exaggerating facts...and this guy is doing just the same.

You know us...so can verify what he has told about us "no bill", "no investment".....is it true ?

The last thing about this guys is being genuine !!

-> ask him to specify his name
-> what system he currently owns
-> ...and where is that Rs.5 grill guide that is supposed to be better than the Rs.45 grill guide.

this guy's friend bought ports (Rs.280) & gaskets (Rs.60) and no VAT was charged to these guys and hence no bill was generated at the time of sale (our staff who was frustrated with the demo, wanted the transaction to be completed in a hurry...and the bill was prepared later and we have paid the VAT).

The only other source for Grill Guides are Mr.Arasu, who also buys from the same source as ours...Mr.Murthy. The fact that this grill guide is better is rubbish.

Sorry we are human beings and can tolerate this nonsense only to an extent.

Are these sufficient facts....cannot believe people who seem to be mature are encouraing such liars !!

Cheers
Siva.

Hi siva,
If you read my posting a bit closely, I have specified that not all his(newtohifi) comments are genuine enough but many are...one of the example I have cited in my posting. Those should be equally answered but they were not. No one expects you people to declare your balance sheets but you can answer the rest. Else dont answer...

I mean its simple, if there are few arguments which hold genuine then it should be treated accordingly regardless of the person posting it...because there are many others following the posting. One cannot getaway with a careless posting as done by Mr.deaf. Thats it.

Dear Abhipani,

Once again, spot on.

Obviously Mr Deaf cannot hope to win the debate in a civil manner so he first tries abuse...then sarcasm...and now wants to talk only on technical matters....

For my money, despite his posturing, Mr. Deaf doesnt even have the cojones to give out the name of his establishment so that forum members/visitors can decide whether to deal with him or not...

And before he asks me again to disclose my identity, let me reiterate I am just an ordinary audio buff... not a dealer or a Distributor or a commercial member, so knowing my identity is absolutely immaterial...

It is also very good that newtohifi has thrown the gauntlet and made specific observations about the infrastructure of these 2 commercial members. So let's know from them if he is wrong...

Dear All
I do not have to prove anything to 2 forum chaps about my credentials.Those who know me are happy with me.I have over 1500 customers for my products so I frankly don't care about proving anything.All tech oriented members will agree I don't talk rubbish and commercial members know that I am true in my staements.
Regards Deaf
P.S I mailed Abhijit on my views,because bringing this back is only lowering standards of this place.

Is it just me or does anyone else also feel that there is more to all this than just this forum discussion ??

Arj schrieb:

Is it just me or does anyone else also feel that there is more to all this than just this forum discussion ?? :?

You couldn't be more correct
Regards Deaf.

abhi.pani schrieb:

Hi siva, If you read my posting a bit closely, I have specified that not all his(newtohifi) comments are genuine enough but many are...one of the example I have cited in my posting. Those should be equally answered but they were not. No one expects you people to declare your balance sheets but you can answer the rest. Else dont answer... I mean its simple, if there are few arguments which hold genuine then it should be treated accordingly regardless of the person posting it...because there are many others following the posting. One cannot getaway with a careless posting as done by Mr.deaf. Thats it.

Abi,

I do not know - what you think are valid concerns of this guy....i atleast do not see any...except lies.

What ever it might be...i think it is only right to validate your concerns with the respective dealers (i had written about this earlier) and then make comments on this forum.

This way you are only encouraging unwanted comments on this forum from people with wrong intentions...

I would request you to be more prudent in your judgement...

Cheers
Siva.

Arj schrieb:

Is it just me or does anyone else also feel that there is more to all this than just this forum discussion ?? :?

Beats me....

Cheers
Siva.

Hey Siva
Could you tell me the products you deal in.
Regards Deaf

sivat schrieb:

Arj schrieb: Is it just me or does anyone else also feel that there is more to all this than just this forum discussion ?? :? Beats me.... Cheers Siva.

Audio Politics


Satyam.

sorry to bring this topic back from the far side but i think there is some truth to newtohifi and abhi's side of the story.

so far i have auditioned at lakozy, soundsmiths at the ritz, designer audio at tardeo, j&b at bandra and sound n vision at pune. out of all these places only designer audio and j&b had a properly set up listening room that created a decent soundstage. and i dont think its a coincidence that these were the only two places i really enjoyed myself. i also respect these guys cos it seemed to me they knew their business.

lakozy there were people, i think friends of the owners who were having a merry loud chat in a sofa while the audition was going on. basic lack of courtesy? then bookshelfs were set up for audition in a bloody HUGE room. no room treatment that had an audible effect, at least to me. and they have enough place to set up a dedicated listening room. so what's the excuse?

soundsmiths forget. the room sounded horrible.

sound n vision in pune had a bare rear wall. no soundstage poor imaging.

i think having a listening room with a few absorbers and diffusers in place is an essential and not a luxury considering the nature of the business. and i dont think it costs that much. nothing fancy just the basics. some of the above establishments have been in business for years and if commercial members here are claiming that after all those years in business they still dont make enough for this basic requirement of a proper listening room and need our support to do something as basic as this then i'm sorry but two conclusions spring to mind.

1. if they arent making enough of a profit after so many years in business to invest so little how in the world are they running a business?

2. they are indeed making enough profit. otherwise how else would they be in business for so long? and if this is the scenario, then not investing in the basics means either they dont know how to set a place up properly to show off their stock to the best effect or they just dont care to.

no offence meant to any of the commercial members here but if you dont have a decent set up the only way u gonna get business is by default - cos guys cant get the stuff from anywhere else. and the moment customers have a choice (read abroad/relative coming down/new dealer etc...) you can be damn sure thats where business will go.

Steve,

I haven't visited any of these dealers that you wrote about. If what you write is correct, then it is an eye (or ear!) opener for me too.

Having a good listening environment for auditions is a prerequisite. There is absolutely no excuse for not having one!

Viren.

This is the hottest thread I have seen on this forum

I feel both sides are telling the truth and the balance is still not favouring any one. My experience of buying through proper channel ie duty, bill and service is limited to Onkyo, when the amp failed after a fortnight of me getting it they did service it within a months time !!. Reason it had to be sent to Madras from cochin, our poor logistics

Through the Onkyo dealer I came to know about a Mumbai dealer and from whome I have got most of my stuff after auditioning the gear at my place taking my own time. That is what I call service and I dont expect it from all beacuse it is impossible to offer it to each and every person who walks into a dealers shop. My request to all dealers is to find a way out (agreed it is not an easy one)how a genuine customer can be offered a home demo at a nominal charge.

Steve your observation on demo rooms is also news to me because I thought Mumbai might have proper setup by now. May be all the action is in AV

stevieboy schrieb:

sorry to bring this topic back from the far side but i think there is some truth to newtohifi and abhi's side of the story.

Mr.Stevieboy,

This is exactly what I'm saying is a LIE (he is not talking about some dealer in Mumbai...but about us). Some how people are intent on believing big talker and exaggerated nonsense.

There is a difference between "fancy" demo rooms and those designed for proper demo....and Mr.Newtohifi is looking for "fancy" ones....

Otherwise he would have found out what was there in our demo room....the kind of dampeing materials we have used for ceiling, the numerous number of bass traps, panels to handle near-wall-reflection, curtains in a specific pattern to control hi-freq reflections, etc., These are very obvious for true audiophiles to notice. (all though all of these may not be as good looking as marble floors and shiny walls with tons of decorative materials)

I think, we do have a decent setup and have invested heavily in demo room, including the expensive electronics. However, it requires some level of knowledge to truly appreciate both our product and demo room. We are glad to educate those who are sincere...and they benefit a lot from what they hear in our demo rooms.

Cheers
Siva.

A lot of posts has been circulating about Siva here.
For the records :
My experience is very different.On all fronts Commercial and Technology i have been getting all the required info w/o any problem or hesitation whatsover. I have also been to most of the hifi location's in chennai,mumbai,bangalore,pune and new delhi.In my opinion i did not see any other audio hifi location offering anything special wrt room acoustics.I do own bookshelf's and floorstanders made by Siva and they are excellent value considering the price /performance ratio.One needs to have a opem mind and accept that there are talented people in India who can also design and manufacture world class loudspeakers.Also Siva has been very courteous and professional.ALL MY "n" number of queries and doubts wrt acoustics were answered with patience supported with FACTS !I have met Pritvi, though my experience has been limited has been very professional again.I would prefer to leaverage the resources available to learn more and enjoy the music !

i am relatively new here, but thought i would share my own wexpeirences.
I have had my share of encounters with quite a few of today's Audio Dealers & Distributors in Mumbai.

Some of them are extremely polite & helpful......Priyesh of Lakozy( am surprised about your observation Stive, but maybe i was one of those persons ).. is one that comes to mind. Or they can be extremely rude, intimidating, arrogant. They believe they can overpower people with their brazenness & loud so called technical talk. You know the story..... say a lie long enough and it becomes the truth ! The trick is, they try to bombard you with so called "audio" talk, so that you get conned into believing that they are Demi-Gods and that you would be dammed if you go against their wishes ! They physiologically try to brain wash you into thinking that the products they carry are the best in the world for that price and that everything else what they don't carry is trash !

Usually when I find a dealer overbearing I quietly leave, because I know that the person is just trying to pressurize me and is not really genuine in seeking a win-win relation.

Another myth that is prevalent is that Distributors pay the full duty and declare goods at the same value which they have been invoiced at. Nothing could be further from the truth ! Almost all Distributors underinvoice, sell in cash and do all kinds of illegal activities. If you want to check the legitimatacy of goods you wish to purchase, all you do is to ask for a photo copy of the Customs & Octroi receipts, where your products are listed. If they give it good for you ! If not you know the reason why... more often than not they will refuse to give it to you.

Another trick which I have seen repeatedly is that when it comes to spares, apart from an inordinate delay in procurement, they charge you exorbitantly as they know you have no other option, but to go to them. They do the same when it comes to after sales service. Poor sales service with a hefty price tag. Why I saw the same philosophy in this post.

In my next post I will mention the various experiences I have had with various Dealers & Distributors in Mumbai. I would wish to share my experience with names, so that other customers would be aware of my experiences and could be assisted in taking a balanced decision thereafter. But please don't go wholly by what I say........

Perhaps we customers need to grade them, and publish our grades on this forum, in a system similar to e-bay. In this manner they would serve us better. After all it is our hard earned money which they are taking and we should be aware of the fradulent dealers & which companies we would want to deal with.

In the defense of Shiva & Prithvi. While I don't have any first hand dealings with them and cannot comment about their set up and organization. I have seen a remarkable change in their attitude on the forum. Previously Prithvi acted like a Demi God, after we was cut to size by a number of members he has toned down considerably. The same is with Shiva, initially he was high handed and arrogant, but now, however irritated he may be, he tones his posting considerably. I am sure that other commercial members would tone their rhetoric down once they know that people don't approve of their high handedness.

Take Viren for example, extremely polite & a true gentleman. Even if he disagrees he does it with such class !!Sir, it would be a pleasure to do business with you. Hoping to audition your systems soon.

More to follow......

Master_Yoda schrieb:

i am relatively new here, but thought i would share my own wexpeirences. is with Shiva, initially he was high handed and arrogant, but now, however irritated he may be, he tones his posting considerably. I am sure that other commercial members would tone their rhetoric down once they know that people don't approve of their high handedness.

For someone new out here...you seem to know a lot about others..

Atleast after this thread, i feel i should do just the other way around. I feel there is no point being polite and be more nasty...given the nature and intent of the posts on this thread. If you want us to be helpful...we will be, only when trust and respect is mutual.

Cheers
Siva.

Here you go guys, a little more fuel to the fire
http://forum.audiogo...1133853234&read&3&4&

Satyam.

sivat schrieb:

For someone new out here...you seem to know a lot about others..

you can learn a lot by going through the archives of the forum.
one example of your previous shenanigans was with a Mr.Abhi.pani. Read how you blew him off and silenced him.
this is just one of the many instances that are there in the forum archives. One can chart a person's history through his posts. the change in attitude is ever so easy to see.

satyam , since you quote Daniel R. von Recklinghausen , have you heard any of the HH Scot amps ?

lots were available on ebay some time back..

Master_Yoda schrieb:

[ you can learn a lot by going through the archives of the forum. one example of your previous shenanigans was with a Mr.Abhi.pani. Read how you blew him off and silenced him. this is just one of the many instances that are there in the forum archives. One can chart a person's history through his posts. the change in attitude is ever so easy to see.

Read throught subsequent postings of Mr.Abhi and also read those first postings more "rationally"

Don't jump to conclusion. This is the reason why most people end up getting fooled when making purchases. Nasty and damaging messages like your without knowing the reality - does not mandate a kind response...regardless of the fact whether you are a potential customer or not.

A lot of people new into this hobby tend to mis-understand the comments of really qualified dealers like Prithvi. For example, even if we try to tell the reality about BOSE through proper scientic explanation, more than half think we are trying to con them. But only when they slowly realize the reality, they start coming back to the very dealer they thought was out to con them. I have seen this time and again. You can see such transformations, in this very forum.

So go ahead and make gloried statements...you are only fooling yourself.

I had enough of this nonsense...

Cheers
Siva.

Arj schrieb:

satyam , since you quote Daniel R. von Recklinghausen , have you heard any of the HH Scot amps ? lots were available on ebay some time back..

No Arj,

I haven't heard the Scott amps actually I came across this quote in some article I was reading and it made sense so...


Satyam.

Master_Yoda schrieb:

i am relatively new here, but thought i would share my own wexpeirences. I have had my share of encounters with quite a few of today's Audio Dealers & Distributors in Mumbai. Or they can be extremely rude, intimidating, arrogant. They believe they can overpower people with their brazenness & loud so called technical talk. You know the story..... say a lie long enough and it becomes the truth ! The trick is, they try to bombard you with so called "audio" talk, so that you get conned into believing that they are Demi-Gods and that you would be dammed if you go against their wishes ! They physiologically try to brain wash you into thinking that the products they carry are the best in the world for that price and that everything else what they don't carry is trash ! Another myth that is prevalent is that Distributors pay the full duty and declare goods at the same value which they have been invoiced at. Nothing could be further from the truth ! Almost all Distributors underinvoice, sell in cash and do all kinds of illegal activities. If you want to check the legitimatacy of goods you wish to purchase, all you do is to ask for a photo copy of the Customs & Octroi receipts, where your products are listed. If they give it good for you ! If not you know the reason why... more often than not they will refuse to give it to you. In my next post I will mention the various experiences I have had with various Dealers & Distributors in Mumbai. I would wish to share my experience with names, so that other customers would be aware of my experiences and could be assisted in taking a balanced decision thereafter. But please don't go wholly by what I say........ Perhaps we customers need to grade them, and publish our grades on this forum, in a system similar to e-bay. In this manner they would serve us better. After all it is our hard earned money which they are taking and we should be aware of the fradulent dealers & which companies we would want to deal with. Take Viren for example, extremely polite & a true gentleman. Even if he disagrees he does it with such class !!Sir, it would be a pleasure to do business with you. Hoping to audition your systems soon. More to follow......

BRAVO !!

Very Good Post;

I was to stop posting on this thread - however, this was very well put & I had to commend you for it;

Well done, keep it up [right attitude] !!!

The new guys that come intot he fold need to be informed & told 'who is what kind'. I like the gradation to be done.

Regards,

BHAGWAN

Steve, I haven't visited any of these dealers that you wrote about. If what you write is correct, then it is an eye (or ear!) opener for me too. Having a good listening environment for auditions is a prerequisite. There is absolutely no excuse for not having one! Viren.

designer audio and j&b were the two guys who introduced me to soundstage, imaging and the finer aspects of listening. i didnt get it at any of the other dealers i visited. any wonder that not too many new people are becoming audiophiles? and we claim from the top of the audiophile mountain that the masses are dumb and like minicompos. maybe no one is showing them a good reason to change! food for thought eh?

Mr.Stevieboy, This is exactly what I'm saying is a LIE (he is not talking about some dealer in Mumbai...but about us). Some how people are intent on believing big talker and exaggerated nonsense. There is a difference between "fancy" demo rooms and those designed for proper demo....and Mr.Newtohifi is looking for "fancy" ones.... Otherwise he would have found out what was there in our demo room....the kind of dampeing materials we have used for ceiling, the numerous number of bass traps, panels to handle near-wall-reflection, curtains in a specific pattern to control hi-freq reflections, etc., These are very obvious for true audiophiles to notice. (all though all of these may not be as good looking as marble floors and shiny walls with tons of decorative materials) I think, we do have a decent setup and have invested heavily in demo room, including the expensive electronics. However, it requires some level of knowledge to truly appreciate both our product and demo room. We are glad to educate those who are sincere...and they benefit a lot from what they hear in our demo rooms. Cheers Siva.

hi siva,

if you notice i have specified only the places i have been to and not indulged in a general rant against dealers. nor have i touched upon the pricing issue which i think is a never ending debate. i have specified 'basic stuff nothing fancy'. i repeat i do not support everything he said, i just meant that there was indeed a point there that not all dealers have a basic listening room set up.

if you do have room treatment that has an audible effect on sound, i for one will spend more time when i do visit your place. and you dont have to worry. genuine customers will appreciate it, no matter how 'homemade' or 'unfancy' it is. i appreciated it even though i didnt know what room treatment was all about when i first heard cadence at j&b. it made me want to know more about audio and that i think is the role of dealers if they hope to grow business. i'm hooked now

Some of them are extremely polite & helpful......Priyesh of Lakozy( am surprised about your observation Stive, but maybe i was one of those persons )..

hi master yoda,

i dont quite follow your comment 'am surprised about your observation'.

how you could be one of those persons... unless u are pals with the lakozy guy and was the culprit that day. i am pretty sure the guys and a lady were friends/relatives of the owner cos of the way they were sitting and chatting. they were not other customers sitting around. there's quite a difference.

stevieboy schrieb:

Some of them are extremely polite & helpful......Priyesh of Lakozy( am surprised about your observation Stive, but maybe i was one of those persons ).. hi master yoda, i dont quite follow your comment 'am surprised about your observation'. how you could be one of those persons... unless u are pals with the lakozy guy and was the culprit that day. i am pretty sure the guys and a lady were friends/relatives of the owner cos of the way they were sitting and chatting. they were not other customers sitting around. there's quite a difference.

Hey Stieve,
yes, i do know Priyesh. He is a nice guy, very decent and helpful.
Yours must be a one off..but let me not get into the act of supporting or try to assail one distributor over the other like most other members in the forum do. The commercial members seem to be paranoid that some kind of conspiracy is going on(quite a few mentions by members about this). i feel, we should be given a fair chane to air our concerns and it is up to the dealers, disrtibutors to take them in a good sense. if not, then i guess we know who the losers are in this environment.

i agree with your views on why the customer looks to Dubai or Singapore or Kuala Lumpur to make their purchases.
they get the same raw deal everywhere, but at least they get it at a discount abroad. Its pathetic. The commercial members seem to be eager to digreess the focus of the discussion and end it all together quickly.
the other person's views are not held in the same light and is imediately put down as a troll when he has done nothing wrong.

Let, us try to discuss this issue in a wholesome way without snapping at each other's throats.

yups priyesh was helpful. no crib with him. my crib is mainly bout no proper room to listen peacefully. waiting for your post on ur listening experiences.

just one small addition to balance out my auditions story, jay of sound n vision in pune let me spend time even though i dropped in from out of town without an appointment. the owner of lakozy khushroo did spend some time trying to point out timing issues. i say try cos i never did get it much to his chagrin i think. soundsmiths were polite too.

stevieboy schrieb:

yups priyesh was helpful. no crib with him. my crib is mainly bout no proper room to listen peacefully. waiting for your post on ur listening experiences.

I agree & by the way I have gone 3/4 times to lakozy & only once priyesh was there & he is a nice guy but the other times there were his staff who were doing a favour by giving a demo & that too to 3 people at once...to me for PSB speaker & one guy was getting a demo for a plasma & another for some satelite speakers...come on does that make any sense, that too in the same hall like room ??? same is the case with many guys in mumbai, the staff are too lazy (specially the polks showroom at crossroads) & I dunno why they always ask this question "sir when are you planning to buy" but when the boss is around (which is rare) the show their courtesy. Though I must admit designer audio is the best, it feels the guy has been trained for this kind of stuff, all IMHO ofcourse.

Designer Audio - Boss gives Demo [Kshitej or his brother], hence the service is 'up to the mark'.

In the case of La Kozy the guys that give the demo are peons, they do not know anything about 'mid-fi audio' hence they just operate buttons.

This is sad, but that is how things are....

BHAGWAN69