bookshelf 2 way speakers with 90db+ sensitivity

If its for Rock then your recommendations are nice else... .
Look at these speakers from Energy.
http://www.energy-sp...c-10-specifications/

They are supposed to be really good. Its available in India as well.

mordaunt short had a pair of bookshelves ms 902i but they were budget round 20 or so. they played loud with viren's old el84 15 watt amp. monitor audio too has the bronze's which have high sensitivity. i'm sure the gold speakers too have high sensitivity. epos too might be a good match cos the crossover is simple from the reviews i've read. wont waste watts in the crossover circuit!

i've also heard dynaudio play loud enough with a cayin 30 (or so) watt amp

Woofers (1) 6 " Audiotechnology C-Quenze

Tweeter (1) Raven R1.1 Ribbon Tweeter

Height : 42cm

Width : 27.5cm

Depth : 37.5cm

Weight : 20kg

Frequency Response :25Hz - 35Khz

Nominal Impedance : 8ohms

Sensitivity : 89db SPL/2.83v
Power Handling : 150W

http://www.sununionaudio.com.hk/en_Frameset-1.htm

Not 90 but 89.
Can that do ?
I have for sale - Brand New - Not open.

http://www.sununionaudio.com.hk/jpg/expectD-pal.jpg

This is the Back Plate.

Noble Expect is the Model Name.

One of the 'best' woofers in the world. Same as that on the Siltech Speaker & on Peak Consult & on the Varity Audio etc. etc.
Even Rockport Technologies has this same woofer used.

It may not fir your 'budget'
I am selling this @ 175/- K

But, just take a look.

May a 'top line' contender for a great stand mount speaker !!!

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some snaps !!
mine is in Piano Black = Premium Finish !!







The Frequency Response !!!

Manek schrieb:

Hi A friend wanted me to recommend standmount 2 way speakers available in india which are 90db+ and 6-8 ohms impedance for around 50k. I could only come up with klipsch as a brand. Any ideas ? Maybe jbl would have some thing ? He wants to drive them with an old leak amp. Manek

manek,
i remember Leak amps as having power capability between 10-30 push pull..am i right?

in that case the Klipsch and JBL would be a very good choice considering availability in india.

i believe Spendors also go very well with tube amps..although pricing in india is not what i am familiar with.

Hi all

Thanks for the tips.

Bhagwan, those are way out of his budget but will let him know.the freq response is quite flat. Nice.

Abhi, energy could be an option. All round music preference, rock, pop, jazz, etc....that's what makes it a bit more difficult.

Arj, the old leaks do have small power outputs.

Stevieboy, its not just about volume but also about presenting as benign a load as possible to the amp at moderate to higher volumes. We did speak about dynaudio.

Aren't missions usually on the higher side on sensitivity ? Need to check.

Speakers with good old paper cone mid bass drivers would be ideal. We also spoke of full rangers like fostex etc but they are a no go for him.

Manek

It will be very difficult to find a conventional dynamic loudspeaker with 90db sensitivity. However, it is not to say that your tube amp cannot drive a loudspeaker with 86db sensitivity.

I know this person in Singapore who used to demo the 2A3 SET with a 86 db bookshelf speaker, so that people can see for themself...

Having said all this....DIY ... I'm sure the local peerless available in Mumbai will be very good start. Deaf had a wonderful speaker made with these drivers...check with him.

Usher X-718

http://usheraudiousa.com/products/loudspeakers/x-series/x-718

This thing retails for 55k or thereabouts. Very very good speaker for the price. I have the higher end Be-718 (and extremely well reviewed ) with the beryllium tweeter which are harder to drive than this one. A 20 watt Musical Fidelity class A amp can drive the Be-718 easily. So I guess this one should be very easy load.

Yes siva....I know it will be difficult but I think its worth the search if low powered amps are to be used and thanks for the lead.

Btw I did find one model of mission m32i to be rated close. Don't know what mission is upto lately.


Manek

Manek many years ago I had JBL LX800 F/S speakers with 91 db if I remember right. Were relatively cheap at around 30k I think. They were good.
Must be out of production now for sure.
Jeeves

Polk RTi A1 loudspeaker

Manek, check out the specs of this one:
Frequency range: 50Hz–27kHz. Nominal impedance: 8 ohms. Sensitivity: 89dB/2.83V/m. Recommended amplification: 20–125Wpc.

Here is a recent, positive review from Stereophile.It seems to fit your brief every which way; be it budget, sensitivity or working with a variety of musical genres.

http://stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/908polk/index.html

Available at ProFx, Atria, Worli for Rs 15000.

Give it a listen.


Krish

Yes krish I looked up polk and also found jm focal chorus, same specs.....

And guess what sold by the same guys !

So now that makes it 4 choices.not bad.

Still looking....

Manek

Hi,

You also have:

Monitor Audio RS1
40Hz - 30 kHz, 90 dB, 6-8 ohms, 80 watts handling selling at mid-30s

PSB Image B25
45Hz - 23 kHz, 89 dB, 4-6 ohms, 100 watts handling selling at low-20s

Focal Chorus 807V
50Hz - 28 kHz, 92 dB, 8 ohms, 175 watts handling selling at 51,000

So on paper the Focal Chorus 807v seems like a good fit

Hi Manek,
How about 1 more choice - Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 or 9.2? Agreed that these are 86dB sensitivity but the review that I read in HiFi Plus said that these speakers were a benign 6 Ohm load to the amplifier. Also, this speaker was an all-rounder meaning that it sounded very good for all genres of music.
I believe that the Diamond 9.X series has been a hit in Europe.
There are several for sale on Ebay at good prices. You friend might be able to get them for USD500 or less - well within his budget.

The 9.2's I have heard and are good for their price.

Tannoy....hmmm just struck me may have stuff with their dual concentric speakers.

Regards

Manek

IMO the following speakers are crap...
.Polk RTi A1 loudspeaker
.Monitor Audio RS1
.Focal Chorus 807V

Sorry for being a bit too blunt...but I have had first hand auditioning experiences with all of these and they just dont fit anywhere in my list of speakers to even consider. They might have the specs on paper but thats about it.

sivat schrieb:

Having said all this....DIY ... I'm sure the local peerless available in Mumbai will be very good start. Deaf had a wonderful speaker made with these drivers...check with him.

Sorry to disagree Siva, but I dont think its a good way to go in this case. DIY in my opinion shouldnt' be taken up if you want to get it right the first time. I have seen quite a few first attempts going absolutely bizzare. May be it works for some fortunate ones who are guided by expert DIYers without much experimentations....but not for people who start off with some basic idea (maybe from the internet or so) and still expect a great product at the end of their first attempt (something that beats a good commercial product). Mostly you end up in a awkward product which is half-cooked in some areas and over-cooked in others.

abhi.pani schrieb:

IMO the following speakers are crap... .Monitor Audio RS1

I actually like the MA - RS1.

Sorry to disagree....

abhi.pani schrieb:

sivat schrieb: Having said all this....DIY ... I'm sure the local peerless available in Mumbai will be very good start. Deaf had a wonderful speaker made with these drivers...check with him. Sorry to disagree Siva, but I dont think its a good way to go in this case. DIY in my opinion shouldnt' be taken up if you want to get it right the first time. I have seen quite a few first attempts going absolutely bizzare. May be it works for some fortunate ones who are guided by expert DIYers without much experimentations....but not for people who start off with some basic idea (maybe from the internet or so) and still expect a great product at the end of their first attempt (something that beats a good commercial product). Mostly you end up in a awkward product which is half-cooked in some areas and over-cooked in others.

The problem with first time DIY ... is the same as the fist time "buying" a hifi solution

You do not know what is right sound....whether u buy a product or DIY .... u will continue to learn and your opinion changes with time.

Manek schrieb:

The 9.2's I have heard and are good for their price. Tannoy....hmmm just struck me may have stuff with their dual concentric speakers. Regards Manek

Manek,
Indeed TAnnoy is another good brand to consider. However, not all Tannoy stand-mounts were created equal & in fact most of them were rather blah sounding.
The new System 800, System 1000, System 1200, etc speakers are too tizzy sounding compared to their predecessors. Buy with caution!
If your friend gets one of the dual concentrics of yester years (DMT series or Gold Monitor, etc) he will surely get a speaker for a life-time & very high efficiency ( such as 94dB) to boot!
Other stand mounts like PBM6.5 & PBM8 I have no experience with.
Another model is the "Reveal" series. Looks like any other speaker i.e. does not seem to be dual concentric.
Yet another model was the "Mercury" which was sold more for HT (atleast here in the USA). Might still be good enough for 2-ch?
Their "Revolution" & "revolution Signature" models look dual concentric. No idea how they sound. To me they look rather modern & might have the modern (tipped up) sound. I've been told that ever since they started manuf in China, cabinet quality has shrunk, which has had a detrimental effect on the sound. No wonder the older models fetch great prices even today.

sivat schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: sivat schrieb: Having said all this....DIY ... I'm sure the local peerless available in Mumbai will be very good start. Deaf had a wonderful speaker made with these drivers...check with him. Sorry to disagree Siva, but I dont think its a good way to go in this case. DIY in my opinion shouldnt' be taken up if you want to get it right the first time. I have seen quite a few first attempts going absolutely bizzare. May be it works for some fortunate ones who are guided by expert DIYers without much experimentations....but not for people who start off with some basic idea (maybe from the internet or so) and still expect a great product at the end of their first attempt (something that beats a good commercial product). Mostly you end up in a awkward product which is half-cooked in some areas and over-cooked in others. The problem with first time DIY ... is the same as the fist time "buying" a hifi solution You do not know what is right sound....whether u buy a product or DIY .... u will continue to learn and your opinion changes with time. :angel

well put siva...

I would go one step further and recommend the Wharfedale Evo-10/20 speakers ..i have the Evo 10(bought it used for 80$.. ) Much better than the diamond series IMHO..and worth the upgrade..or course the quad 12L is a great option too.

abhi.pani schrieb:

IMO the following speakers are crap... .Polk RTi A1 loudspeaker

Hmmm. Interesting.Do elaborate.

K

abhi.pani schrieb:

IMO the following speakers are crap... ... .Monitor Audio RS1 ...

I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on this. Is it a specific quality that put you off? I ask because I plan to buy the RS6 shortly.

I ask because I plan to buy the RS6 shortly.

Must Buy !

Nice speaker.

particleman schrieb:

I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on this. Is it a specific quality that put you off? I ask because I plan to buy the RS6 shortly.

My experience with Monitor audio silver (I believe the older verson of th RS) series has been very good. with the wrong amp it can sound bright, but with amp o the warmr side of neutral is sounds good.

although IMHO it is a Rock an Rol speaker in the sense that its Bass is excellent but midrange a bit recessed...but again for its price it is great speaker.

Arj

I did think the mids were a bit thin in the older model but I think they have addressed that issue with rs series.

Monitor audio, good for the money I'd say.

Manek

@Bhagwan, Arj, Manek: Thank you all, good sirs. Much appreciated - I feel very reassured. Manek, sorry for the minor derailment of your thread.

Back on topic: No one has mentioned Quad 12L?
Also, if brought abroad then Totem Rainmaker should be under 50k ($950) but in India it is nearly double. I heard these Totems with a tube amp and it was a wonderful experience - Jazz was especially nice.

Edit: I noticed Savyasaachi mentioned the Quads as well, my mistake.

I doubt that would touch 88 db sensitivity. I say that cuase I have heard a 86 db speaker play louder at the exactly same volume in the same setup than the 12l which is rated higher. Its again how the speaker is measured and tested. But again nice for the price.

Arj schrieb:

particleman schrieb: I would appreciate it if you would elaborate on this. Is it a specific quality that put you off? I ask because I plan to buy the RS6 shortly. with the wrong amp it can sound bright, but with amp o the warmr side of neutral is sounds good. although IMHO it is a Rock an Rol speaker in the sense that its Bass is excellent but midrange a bit recessed...but again for its price it is great speaker.

Well something similar was my experience when I heard it a year or so back. Bright and slightly recessed midrange.
IMO, MA starts getting good from its GS series.

Krish schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: IMO the following speakers are crap... .Polk RTi A1 loudspeaker Hmmm. Interesting.Do elaborate. K

Hi Krish,
Well, I have had multiple auditions of the Polk, starting from their Monitor series all the way to Lsi series.
IMHO, Monitor and Rti series speakers seriously lack in the midrange dept. They are good for compressed rock and pop but nothing beyond it. Play some Jazz and Ghazal on them and you would know what I intending at. I have listened to them in proper listening rooms and not in some AV expo so I am pretty sure of their mediocre behaviour. But then they do have nice bass (very tight). Highs are typically American.
Having said that, their LSi series is nice. They are far more matured sounding with an evenly balanced tonality. But I havent heard their BS extensively so didnt recommend.

sivat schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: sivat schrieb: Having said all this....DIY ... I'm sure the local peerless available in Mumbai will be very good start. Deaf had a wonderful speaker made with these drivers...check with him. Sorry to disagree Siva, but I dont think its a good way to go in this case. DIY in my opinion shouldnt' be taken up if you want to get it right the first time. I have seen quite a few first attempts going absolutely bizzare. May be it works for some fortunate ones who are guided by expert DIYers without much experimentations....but not for people who start off with some basic idea (maybe from the internet or so) and still expect a great product at the end of their first attempt (something that beats a good commercial product). Mostly you end up in a awkward product which is half-cooked in some areas and over-cooked in others. The problem with first time DIY ... is the same as the fist time "buying" a hifi solution You do not know what is right sound....whether u buy a product or DIY .... u will continue to learn and your opinion changes with time. :angel

Well, for most people getting into hifi, they definitely have some background to good quality sound reproduction and thats why they intend to get to the next level. Also one has the option of comparing multiple speakers which are available off the shelf and then buying which ever he liked most. That I think is a far safer approach for a first timer. I would still maintain that DIY should be taken up if you want to continue DIYing till you reach a product with a desired performance....and not as a one time stint.