2 channel music system under 30K

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Shahrukh
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#51 erstellt: 15. Sep 2005, 06:59

NAD is a good bet. In fact, for stereo-on-a-budget, it's the best. But, I'd recommend an entry level Marantz receiver, say SR4300, 4400, 4500. Here's why.

1. Hi-Definition/Mutichannel music is gonna be really big in a coupla years time. Especially with SACDs costing just about as much as Redbook ACDs. (OK, 50 bux here and there). If you're a music lover, you'll love SACDs. Imagine the sound of a Floyd's DSOTM in hi-res 5.1...!

2. Easy upgrades: Just add a Center Channel later - whenever you can afford it -and you have a rocking musical experience. Adding surrounds isn't a very expensive affair so that will just add to the magic. The sub is up to you.

3. Marantz offers decent stereo sound on S-Direct mode. Especially with music. It's a very musical AVR and sounds great with the Wharfies.

4. It costs just about 2-5k more than the NAD. (The SR 4400 costs 23k on Baazzee, about 19 - 21k retail.)

Of course, all of these are to be completely ignored if you've found Nirvana in pure 2-channel mode - a stereo purist that is.

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#52 erstellt: 15. Sep 2005, 11:37

Thanks for your suggestion. I have around 10 hybrid SACDs and yes SACD is one of the reason I considered 5.1 channel at first but I heard lot of people who experienced multichannel music still considers 2 channel music as the preferred one. I agree dramatic and effect-drenched music like Floyd's DSOTM will be good for multichannel but I think NOT all music is suited for multichannel. But I really want to listen a few albums before drawing any conclusion.

Do you think bazee's offer for marantz SR4400 & SR4500 are with bill & warranty? I think they are grey market stuff. I will ask the seller.

Still haven't ruled out multichannel but for the time being a little inclined to 2 channel...

Krish
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#53 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 04:07

DiskSpinner,

Go the two channel route for now if you are on a budget.Try and explore the following options

- Norge 4242 (60wpc) & Norge Bookshelves (they use Vifa drivers).This system should cost you around 16K.For your source,you could either use a DVD player or get yourself an good entry level CDP.I don't think Norge is available in B'lore, but you could either write to Shyam Bajaj or pull a few favours with people who travel to B'bay often and see if you can ask them to get it for you.
- It's also worth checking out lyrita.You can PM Viren and see what he has on offer.
- Also check out Pulz...
- Alternatively if you want to have your cake and eat it too, check out an active 5.1 speaker system.I'm sure you should get something decent within 5K-6K.
K

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#54 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 04:57

Diskspinner can contact Norge here:

http://snsvo1.seekandsource.com/easternelectronics/feedback.aspx

Roland_hifi86
Neuling

#55 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 08:34

If you like to try Chinese made HiFi, I can give you suggestion. Please PM me or visit

http://www.hifi86.com/

SNV
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#56 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 08:45

Dear Subho,

The Nad is the best buy at that price.
If you are looking for an av receiver, then Marantz is ideal.
You could get the Marantz sr 4500 for about 20k in the grey.
On the speakers, i would recommend the Mission M32 over the
diamond 9.1.

The mission has a 6 and a half inch driver, will deliver
better bass when compared to the 9.1 since you listen to
more of rock. It will also be easy for the Marantz to drive
the mission, 90db 8 ohms when compared to the 9.1 6 ohms 86db.
In any case i find the mission to sound better than the 9.1

regards

diskspinner
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#57 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 08:54

Does Marantz has service centers in India? If I get from grey and there is some problem whom should I take it to?

anirvan
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#58 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 09:00

http://www.shardamotor.com/ProHome.htm

is the official distributor in india- they have branches in chennai, other cities no idea-

r
anirvan

Shahrukh
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#59 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 11:15

SNV, do you really think the Mission (m73i) has as much detail and upper end finery as the Diamond 9.1/8.1?

SNV
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#60 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 12:14

Dear Shahrukh,

Well, firstly i have a clear cut funda.

YOU DEFINE A PRODUCT AT A PRICE.
EVERYTHING IS GOOD AT A PARTICULAR PRICE BRACKET. SIMPLE.

I dont think its even right to compare the diamond 8.1 entry level bookshelf speaker to the mission m73i floorstander.
Both products are of a different pedigree. M73i priced at about 17k and 8.1 at about 9k.
Yes, at about 9k the diamond 8.1 is one of the finest available.
Similarly at about 17k, the mission being a best buy.
I also know a bookshelf can outperform a floorstander.
The size being its advantage, less cabinet resonance
and better control.
But in this case, yes i find Mission m73i to have better
low end & insight and is much more detailed when compared to the wharfedale 8.1.
And not just upper end finery, but the entire spectrum.

But then again, this is me. I find it superior.
If you dont, then you simply dont. Its an individuals preference.
Every speaker doesn't sound the same to everyone.

Cheers mate.

p.s. still cant figure out why have you mentioned the m73i
when clearly i have suggested m32 to diskspinner.

diskspinner
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#61 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 12:28

What's the price for mission m32?

SNV
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#62 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 12:55

hi there,

I believe its around 15k

regards

verynewone
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#63 erstellt: 16. Sep 2005, 21:21

Diskspinner,

I am not sure how far you have progressed in your "quest", since I am on the same quest, here are some inputs from my side:

1) U shud not have a problem getting proper warrranty n bill for Marantz, I think there shud be dealers selling it (Audio Planet is one). U can also find Mission floorstanders at Audio Planet (not sure which model, the same 18 k ones proly).

2) DO NOT buy Yamaha RX-V350 (not sure about 357). 450 (and 457 proly) is the least you should look at in Yamaha.

3) Take a look at Boston Acoustics CR 65 also. IMHO they sound better than Space, Sonodyne bookshelves and wharfedale 8.1/9.1, and are available at 11.5k.

Shahrukh
Inventar

#64 erstellt: 19. Sep 2005, 05:50

SNV,
Hmmm... gotta give it you there mate, to each his own.
To be honest, it was a tough decision for me to choose between the two speakers in question. I had narrowed down my choice to these two. While the missions were fantastic for a floorstander at that price, I felt they lacked detail. What I also felt was that the sound lacked a sense of height. But, that's my point of view.

The Diamonds had the price advantage. Plus, they sounded far more detailed. OK they didn't have the low-end the missions had but what a mid-range. mmm..!

No prizes for guessing what I chose.

deaf
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#65 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 11:30

To make a DIY speaker can be great fun,but the problem arises when we set out to make one, the obstacles that one usually faces escaltes target costs,and still the result is not as expected.
Example, when we get a diy design, drivers,enclosures,crossover etc;how does one know if he or she has come within tolerances in audio quality to the original design,without ever hearing the original?Now this opens a can of worms.
Secondly we will never get the same bill of materials that the original design uses, as we don't know what they are,eg.type of MDF used,glue used,density and weight of absorbing material,etc.
Lastly your dear suthar(carpenter)for his life will never understand the critical nature of an enclosure, because;
a)You don't know it yourself
b)When you do realise it after 8-10 test runs (there goes 20k)
you can't get him to make 2 identical pieces as he simply lacks the tools to do it.
Moral of the story, DIY is fun only if you have the time and money.IT DOES NOT SAVE MONEY.If you want to save money buy a product from a brand after serious auditions with your music.

benkenobi
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#66 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 11:38

you fail to get the fact that the satisfaction derived from making a DIY fas surpasses the money factor..at least for me it does..
Btw, for your information, DIY does not necessarily mean wastage of funds..
for example, my DIY design in comparison with Ronnie's costs about the same.
Of course, he went with a tried and testeed design whilke mine is completely original.
still in the process of copmpletion ..but so far i have spent around 17k for the speaker enclosure, speaker, 3-way actve xover and the amplifier components..
only things missing are the tranformers, heatsinks and the amp cabinets.
so in total i expect the project to be done in 21k.
u tell me where in the world would u get a commercial 3 way acctive speaker with 240 watts per channel.
I agree that the performance for the amount spent has not been justified yet.
but u wait another month and i will make u eat ur words.

benkenobi
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#67 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 11:46

any half witted person would know that problems arise in anything adventurous. If u are too pusillanimous(or just don't have the friggin time to do it) to undertake the risks then i suggest you take our 'deaf' frined's advise and go the commercial way or if u are willing to learn about the intricacies of speaker building and accept the failures you may encounter along the way but be resolute enough to forge ahead to see the job done then there is no greater satisfaction than DIY.

all diys are not clones. there are works of art that u have to see to believe.

and where did u come up with the featherbrained notion that those in DIY don't understand the importance of a cabinet. I can gaurantee that the two cabinets that i have gotten made are pretty much identical, give or take a couple of tenths of mm.

[Beitrag von benkenobi am 20. Sep 2005, 11:50 bearbeitet]

deaf
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#68 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 11:54

Dear BEN
I am sure you must have made a great product, which as you say costs 21k on completion.If you like the sound then that is all that matters ,but in the real world people do not have the time to pursue such projects ,and lack your knowlegde to execute such a task, hence will end up wasting time and also money,and this even you have to accept is the truth.Best of luck on your project, would love to hear it.

diskspinner
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#69 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 11:54

Cool down benks...He probably wanted to say DIY is not everybody's cup of tea.
I am sure you would make a great pair of speakers.

benkenobi
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#70 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 12:01

deaf schrieb:

Well for a large part of the market this would be true.
buT i see exceptions in this too.
there is a person George(GJO) on diyaudio.com who is frmo Bangalore and he is a top executive in a software firm and he still finds time to indulge in diyaudio.com
he is a far more experienced individual in diyaudio.com when compared to me and he is just one example You find many more individuals on diyaudio with similar credentials.

you make time if u want something bad enough. ain't THAT the truth!?

benkenobi
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#71 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 12:03

diskspinner schrieb:

Cool down benks...He probably wanted to say DIY is not everybody's cup of tea.
I am sure you would make a great pair of speakers. :)

I quite understand and acknowledge that..hell, did'nt know it was my cuppa till i took the plunge.

But, priorities rule and for this reason alone, i think commercial is the way to go for the majority of our tribe.

[Beitrag von benkenobi am 20. Sep 2005, 12:03 bearbeitet]

deaf
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#72 erstellt: 20. Sep 2005, 12:13

DEAR BEN
I agree with you on the most part that if you have the will then the path will open for you.Exceptions are always there, in any field.I respect DIYers for their time and effort for pursuing their holy grail especially in loudspeakers as it combines both science and art,balancing a set of compromises that suits their taste the most.Regards

diskspinner
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#73 erstellt: 14. Nov 2005, 13:20

Time to thank all the helpful members in this forum...

At last I completed my purchase for the first round, it took a little more 3 months. I almost stuck to the initial budget announced (a little more).

Here is what I got...

Marantz SR 4500 (imported from Bangkok, it costed me 19k INR with bills)

Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 (12.5k from Total Sound/Decibles)

DAC cables

I believe it can be called a good VFM system, they sound pretty decent for the price.

BTW, I am using an ordinary interconnect presently...Thinking of getting a decent one, any suggestion? Is it worth to get DAC or QED interconnects?

Ronnie22
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#74 erstellt: 14. Nov 2005, 14:17

Hi diskspinner,

Nice system you have there! Its a rarity to come across someone who sticks to the original budget that one starts out with....all credit to you.

Let me know your experience with audiophile cables. I use unbranded Rs. 100 a piece MX electrical interconnects and 14 awg Rs. 60 a metre speaker cables. Have never used audiophile cables on my system and too sceptical to purchase one without trying it first on my system. However intrigued to know the difference that they would make.

diskspinner
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#75 erstellt: 15. Nov 2005, 04:26

I personally feel cables won't give me a huge difference in sound for my configuration. I am using an unbranded Interconnect, I will upgrade to something branded only if I am convinced that it will improve the sound. Moreover I have not done a comparison of DAC speaker cables with unbranded speakers cables. So...

'Sticking to budget' would have been difficult if I was unable to import the receiver from Bangkok.

Now I will take a few months to experiment with room accoustics and when everything is settled, I might start the second round of shopping.

Krish
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#76 erstellt: 15. Nov 2005, 05:12

If u are too pusillanimous...

Obi-wan,
The GRE effect is still to wear off