Arcam Vs NAD

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tryst
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#1 erstellt: 21. Jul 2005, 15:35
Hello

Please let me know ehich one is better Arcam or NAD.I want to connect them to Paradigm reference speakers.Are there any authorised dealers for Arcam?

tryst
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#2 erstellt: 22. Jul 2005, 19:59
are u talking of an amp or a cdp ?
Which models are u talking about ?
Which models of speakers do u have ?
Whats your room size ?
tryst
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#3 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 07:03
I checked up the price for Arcam and its very high.So i hve shortlisted my choices.Iam looking for the NAD T753 OR T763
or the Denon AVR 3805.I have a lot of music cds and two channel listening is on the menu with around 50-50 for muic and movies.I heard that NAD receivers are very good on two channels but the cost of T763 is sustantially higher than the 3805.Will the NAD T753 match up to the Denon AVR3805?

I have Tannoy Mercury speakers with me but i am planning fo Tannoy Sensys (Dual Concentric)and a CXT -12 Velodyne sub.
My room dimension is 25 ft x 14 ft.Please advice.
tryst
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#4 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 07:05
I checked up the price for Arcam and its very high.So i have shortlisted my choices.

Iam looking for the NAD T753 OR T763 or the Denon AVR 3805.I have a lot of music cds and two channel listening is on the menu with around 50-50 for music and movies.I heard that NAD receivers are very good on two channels but the cost of T763 is sustantially higher than the 3805.Will the NAD T753 match up to the Denon AVR3805?

I have Tannoy Mercury speakers with me but i am planning for Tannoy Sensys (Dual Concentric)and a CXT -12 Velodyne sub.
My room dimension is 25 ft x 14 ft.Please advice.
Manek
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#5 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 07:19
if two channel is your priority...then the nad will better the denon...miltichannel on nad also is very good though it may not have all the bells and whistles of the denon.

manek.
tryst
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#6 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 10:07
Thanks for your advice.The NAD T753 costs around 55000 and the Denon is costing around 65000 but the NAD T763 costs around 85000.Cosidering the value for money aspect which receiver would you suggest? The NAD T753 is 70w/ch and the Denon is 120w/ch whereas the T763 is 100w/ch.

I am also thinking about Paradigm speakers (monitors or the signature series) but they are not available here.Any suggestion on that and how do you compare the Tannoy Sensys with Paradigm series in question?
Manek
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#7 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 10:12
I would trust nad's power output figures more than denon. Nad are known to rate their amps conservatively. If I were you I would go for either of the NAD.

manek.
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#8 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 10:34
As far are as the speakers are concerned , i think the B&Ws are a bit overpriced and in that regard the Tannoy Sensys is priced more favourably and moreover it sounds better.Do you have any ideas on the Paradigm speakers , how would you rate them in regard to the Sensys?
Manek
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#9 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 10:53
havent heard the paradigm's but tannoy are good speakers...heard a couple of pairs...dont remember which ones but they were with their concentric drivers...sounded nice.

B&W, I am not a very big fan off, for two channel music.

manek.
Neutral
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#10 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 13:24
Manek,

Are Tannoy's concentric drivers really an improvement over the traditional midrange-tweeter pair? Is it a benefit for both stereo and multichannel sound or is it targeted at a particular application?
tryst
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#11 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 13:48
Thanks again.I think i should proceed with NAD is there a good universal palyer from NAD (plays SACD, DVD Audio and DVD video).Is it really required to have a player and the receiver of the same manufactures or is it just for aesthetic value?

Looking for some decent interconnects and speaker cables.Narrowed down to Vandenhul, QED and Monster.

Van den hul is exorbitatly priced so is monster but QED is fairly priced.Do these 500 buck a meter wire produce discernable change in the sound output? Or is it wiser to be in the middle price bracket?
Manek
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#12 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 13:59
for your universal player an affordable pioneer would do good as the NAD has decent quality dac's for stereo and multichannel so you need not spend money there but hear the options out.

vdh are excellent cables. if VDH are not in the budget QED would do good too.

manek.
tryst
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#13 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 14:08
Iam planning for the Skyline hybrid or the snowline in VDH.Are the hybrid cables better then the plain cables? Mind you, the hybrid costs less than the snowline with rupees 480 & 500 / mt respectively.
Manek
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#14 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 14:22
both good cables...I am familiar with VDH cables...hear both...one has got a carbon coating the other silver. You may like one or the other...

QED silver anniversary is also very good. I like the VDH goldwater very much also, if your budget permits go for it.

QED airlock banana/spade connectors are also very good with the speaker cables.
Arj
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#15 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 15:10

Neutral schrieb:
Manek,

Are Tannoy's concentric drivers really an improvement over the traditional midrange-tweeter pair? Is it a benefit for both stereo and multichannel sound or is it targeted at a particular application?


Improvement is a very subjective term :). Tannoy have been doing this for ages even before Multichannel so it was meant for stereo in the 1940s

Point sources have their benefits and also their pitfalls...
Lets say that it has its afficiandos.(Altec Lansing, KEF, Lowther have all done it..In fact Combak have also come out with their own version of this recently)

Just a matter of tastes.

If you are looking for both 2 ch and Mult Ch., would suggest you go for the lower cost one. The reason being that if you do get drawn deeper into 2 channel, you will realise that NO multi channel at the manageable prices does a good stereo.... and you do ever plan to do a dedicated 2 channel sometime in the future this would be a wasted investment!

The tannoys have very high sensitivity hence 70W should be enough..but make sure you do a demo in your room oif you can as heavily absorbant surfaces like couches can make a difference

If you can manage, due to the size of your room, would suggest one of the SVS cylinder subs..they are amazing
tryst
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#16 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 15:32
Thanks.That post on cables clears a lot of things.Is it required to terminate speaker wires with bananas or spades , cant i leave them bare and attach to the binding posts?Does the sound vary with such a connections provided it is done correctly?

I found that there is a big difference in the cost of the signature cv interconnect from QED and their normal qunex range . The prices being 9900 and 5600 respectively for 1 mt.Will there be any discernable difference in the picture quality if i buy the lower priced one?
benkenobi
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#17 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 15:45
am assuming that u guys are speakeing abt speaker wires..
here goes.

Tryst, i suggest u stick to improving ur main system and worry about the cables later..
remember that all u need to concern urself with is the lenght of the wire..
keep it as short as possible..
it the lenght of the wire is less than 5 feet(per channel) i suggets u just go for ordinary cable of 12 gauge size with Banana plugs(u get MX gold plated ones for 70 a pair, excellent VFM).
don't fall for al the voodoo headlong..
check out the cheaper wires( u will get them in SP road for 10-15 rupees a meter)..
just make sure that the distance is short and the gauge and number of strands in the wire is high..
Get the main comoponents in the system right and then worry abt the details..
benkenobi
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#18 erstellt: 25. Jul 2005, 15:50

tryst schrieb:
...but the NAD T763 costs around 85000.


at this price bracket i would start to consider the Rotel 1055( i think that's right ) and the 1065 receivers..
both are awesome..
they are only 5.1 channels (but hey u don't and won't get 7.1 software for quite some time..)
Awesome (when compared with AVRs ) in 2 ch reproduction..
Cheers,
Sachi
hsmraj
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#19 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 01:04
Ar'nt the arcams in teh same price range as rotels. In fact they are slightly cheaper.
Manek
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#20 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 08:22
tryst....
terminations on speaker cables to my mind is necessary.
banana's are standard....

Spend max. 10% of your budget on cables you like, no more....anything more and you will reach a point of diminishing returns...

manek.
tryst
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#21 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 10:27
If i do not use the interconnect and just connect with the bare wires , is it required to solder the frayed ends of the wire?

I plan to go to Mumbai tomorrow and would like to demo the NAD receiver there.Iam taking a cd with me for testing.

Please tell me the bass and treble adjustment when i demo the receiver.Is it that i should keep the bass and treble setting at the minimum?
Manek
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#22 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 11:01
tryst, your interconnect has to have connectors, you may choose to have speaker wire connectors or not.

bass and treble setting has to be flat....

manek.
tryst
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#23 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 11:29
Manek, iam sorry.it was a mistake on my part.The interconnect has to have connectors but i am asking about the speaker cable whether bare end or with soldered ends to avoid fraying.

I would like to buy a good universal player with progressive scan.NAD would be my first preference as iam planning for the NAD receiver.Whats is your opinion on this?Is ir that the haevier the player the more evident it is that the manufacturee has thought about putting quality stuff in the player.Needless to say NAD has quite heavy players.
Manek
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#24 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 11:38
yes speaker cables need connectors to avoid oxidation.

If you are buying a universal player then an entry level option would be a pioneer. Since your receiver has good dacs, you could make do with the pioneer.
manek.
tryst
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#25 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 11:43
Thanks, please let me know the pioneer model.And if i paln to shell out a few more bucks and stick with NAD then which player (Model no. ) should i go for.As you know these are life time expenses and i would like to go for a better option to the best of my means.
tryst
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#26 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 11:47
It will be of extreme help if you can suggest me a few outlets in Mumbai where i can get a demo for NAD receiver.I will be visiting there shortly.If possible provide me with the name and contact number.Thanks again
Manek
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#27 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 12:06
lakozy at chowpatty are dealers/distributors of nad products and that would be the best place to start with. nad, you will have to see whats available.

pioneer you will get anywhere in any city DV-578A-S
tryst
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#28 erstellt: 26. Jul 2005, 12:20
Thanks a lot
Neutral
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#29 erstellt: 29. Jul 2005, 11:07
Thanks Arj,

Would you like to give out some more information about the SVS cylinder subs. I have not heard about them.
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