speakers for NAD C521BEE/C320BEE

I completely agree on your choice of cdp,amp, interconnect and spkr cables....dont know about kef cresta 30 speakers cause I have not heard them for more than 5 minutes with denon amp.

I couldn't find PROFX showroom in b'lore.

Anybody knows

about any ProFx showroom in banglore?

I went to Barton Centre, M.G.Road as specified in website but there was no such showroom.


Is there any other KEF dealer in bangalore?

Hi Vishal,

As you enter Barton Centre, pass the coffee shop which is outside and as soon you enter the building, the ProFX showroom is to your left on the ground floor. There's a shop "Cotton World" diagonally opposite to the ProFx showroom.

Regards,
- Nagaraj

I auditioned KEF cresta 30 but the low frequency response is quiet weak. so i am going to prefer this speaker.

I need some other recomendations.

Many people are recomending dynaudio but i want to know which model suits best with this amp.

Please give me some suggestions

and also is there any dynaudio dealer in bangalore?

Hi Vishal,

You can contact Prithvi of Absolute Phase in Bangalore if you want to audition the Dynaudio Audience 52SE speakers. He had them some time back and hopefully should still be there.

I cannot comment on how these would sound with the NAD since I have only heard them with the Rega Mira intgrated amplifier that Prithvi had.

Remember that these would set you back by about 77K (67K for the book shelf speakers and about 10K for a good pair of stands). So, do watch out how these would affect your budget too.

Prithvi is currently not in town and would be back only on the 14th of this month.

Regards,
- Nagaraj

If the Dynaudio Audience 52 costs abt 67 then i think even B7W 603 s3 can match with this set up as that costs around 72k but i don't know abt its sound quality.

what about sonodyne 2605? will that be a perfect match for this amp?

Iam very much doubtfull regarding their(sonus 2605) build quality. I think their build quality will be lower while compared to other European speakers.

Could you please tell me what are all the speaker brands that Absoulute Phase in Banglore deals with?

Could u please tell me whether it is possible to connect a sub woofer with NAD C320BEE amplifier thru its pre-outs.


Regarding KEF Cresta 30 except low frequency everything is superb and the highs are soft and the vocals are perfectly locked at the centre.

But the only drawback is the bass response.so iam thinking that to connect a KEF PSW 1000 subwoofer with NAD amplifier.

is it possible?

very possible...the nad has pre out. all you have to do is purchase a "y" rca cable
Manek.

Guys can you suggest which would be the best AVR for KEF cresta 30. My interests are primarily music and then movies (30%). I am from bangalore too.. and i happaened to audition Cresta 30 in PRO FX sounds amazing. I already own Bose lifestyle and now i regret getting it after listening to these sweet sounding speakers.. PRO FX are selling cresta for a good discount. please check it out... I have decided on Cresta and was considering Marantz SR4400 AVR. Your advice greatly appreciated.

mr_vishal schrieb:

Could u please tell me whether it is possible to connect a sub woofer with NAD C320BEE amplifier thru its pre-outs. Regarding KEF Cresta 30 except low frequency everything is superb and the highs are soft and the vocals are perfectly locked at the centre. But the only drawback is the bass response.so iam thinking that to connect a KEF PSW 1000 subwoofer with NAD amplifier. is it possible?

I would suggest this to people talking about low freq response, you should always leave the highs and mids to main speakers and leave the lows to powered subs since it is possible to connect it to pre outs on most of the amps and recievers. This will be my ideal choice. members please let me know if i am wrong here.

the marantz 4400 is nice....I heard it sometime back. better than the entry level denon, onkyo, yamaha. I believe onkyo has just launched an avr..the 602 ???? Its supposed to be a very good stereo and multichannel device according to AVmax.

manek.


manek.

In the Previous post I told I couldn't feel much bass from
KEF Cresta 30. But there was a reason and i want to analyze this.

Actually both the speakers was in the middle of the room and then played.

so the representative told that since there is no wall behind the speakers and further the crestas are rear ported the bass can't be feel that much.

Is it true? If it is supported by a wall then can i feel any difference in low frequency response?

very true. there can be upto 6db increase in Bass response with a wall near the speaker.. for rear ported should usually be 2 feet from the rear wall

and if the room is very small then

will the bass response increase or decrease?

because i think since the area in PROFX is very big i can't hear the low frequencies that much

and my room is very small (100 sq ft). so can i feel more bass?

Thanks Manek.. can you tell me if you know of any place in Bangalore where i can get Marantz AVR 4400 or other models.

If the room is small then you will have excess bass , which means it will Boom.

your best bet here would be a Bookshelf or else you will need to put sound absorbents in the room (Corners, edges, behind and in the sides)

sorry but dont know bangalore much....I heard the 4400 marantz in the profx showroom in mumbai.

manek.

At last i think acoustic energy evo 3 matches well

I need your opinions.

Since Prithvi told that only in the month end it will be available iam waiting and i have time

My friend suggested to buy in profx as they will provide good customer service, but i don't know about the quality of this setup

Denon DCD 685 cd player
Denon PMA 1055 amplifier
KEF coda 90 speakers
Please tell me ur opinions about this setup

what matters most is whether the setup sounds good to you ?

hear as many systems as you can and make an informed choice is what i have to say.

I heard the marantz 5400 entry level CDP and it was quite good for the money in grey market(14K). Liked it better than the denon.

denon 1055 comes across as a decent amp. head it with a few kef Q speakers and jamo spks. Found it better matched to Jamo than kef.

cant comment on the coda.

Manek.

any way iam waiting for acoustic energy evo 3. it fits in my budget and since it has a textile dome tweeter i hope it will sound good like KEF cresta 30 as the highs were smooth but the only negative point is it lacks bass.

Yeah i listned to this setup just 4 days ago. the denon amplifier is very good but i think the denon amplifiers are overpriced. the coda90 have better highs and marginally better mids than the diamond8.4s but the lows just did'nt do it for me. my diamonds perform much better in the low frequencies. however the coda90's are on special offer for 32500rupees at Profx bangalore.

Denons do make pretty Decent CD players, but hav not really heard of their Amps.
AE evo is definitely better than the KEF Coda range !

I am really confused.

some are saying that even Sonodyne Sonus 2605 speakers matches well with NAD C320BEE.

so I want to choose between Sonus 2605 and Acoustic Energy Evo 3 then which speakers do u recommend?

Iam really confused. Please give me some suggestion


seems i have to buy soon as my confusion is growing

Regarding Sonodyne Sonus 2605, I heard and the sound quality is pretty good but

What about the build quality?

will it be same as british speakers? because i think for 22k i wont get much build quality..

According If I buy any speakers it should last atleast for 5-7 years

Can't compare the built quality on purely cost basis,since one is built in India(of course with low labor cost),so presumably we should get a better quality product at the same price point..
Somehow I find a general tendency to underestimate indian products,at least in Speaker's segment,nothing radical,has changed in the speaker technology in the last 70 years.So we need not worry on the technology front.
(And most of the British Speaker have a manufacturing base in China for obvious reason.)
What's forums take?

any speaker one buys, one generally expects it to last for about 5 yrs, atleast I do.

I think speaker manufacturers know that and build them accordingly. You may not get the stiffest and most solid cabinet for 21K but you may end up getting a decent speaker for its price..

Check out the other imports in the same price range and make a choice.

Manek.

No intention of slighting Sonodyne whatsoever, but I would find it hard to ignore the AE pedigree…

Remember being captivated by the AE1 Reference MK 1 a few years ago.

hifinovice1 schrieb:

Can't compare the built quality on purely cost basis,since one is built in India(of course with low labor cost),so presumably we should get a better quality product at the same price point.. Somehow I find a general tendency to underestimate indian products,at least in Speaker's segment,nothing radical,has changed in the speaker technology in the last 70 years.So we need not worry on the technology front. (And most of the British Speaker have a manufacturing base in China for obvious reason.) What's forums take?

If it were a pure science, Yes your statement would be correct.

Unfortunately speaker design is not a pure science..it is an Art with knowledge of Materials, drivers, all kinds of music and acoustics as well as how they combine together.

Audiophiles have not been prevalent in India unlike in china/singapore/malaysia/taiwan where there is a very good understanding of audio equipment and speakers. As an example just compare our forum as well as a forum like Echoloft.com which is in Singapore.(In terms of both Content as well as number of posts/members)

Singapore is only the size of Bangalore with the same number of people but the number of Audiophiles/speaker brands as well as sales is many many times over..right Prithvi ? if the demand is different, so will be the supply

All speakers manufactured in China are still designed in their respective countries..only the low cost manufacturing to specs (Which go down to the screws and thir material/Size) is in china.

BTW, as per my understanding, If you look at it, Indian Music does not span the complete freq range. usually only 80Hz and upards (Not very heavy on bass)but very heavy on treble..hence there is no reason why we should traditionally make good full range sopeakers..any comments ?

after listening to Fleetwood Mac on my system i was just taken back by the openess and the clear highs. Fleetwood Mac is probably the best to test equipment for highs and mids(try listening to "Never going back again").
BTW i think u should try out the athena technologies range of speakers. they seem to come highly recommended and seem to fall between the diamond8.4 and coda90 pricewise.
worth a try.
however, if u have the AE evo3 within your budget go for it. see, to it that u pair it up with a good source and amp.
cheers

Athenas are pretty Value for money speakers..and on value I would rate them higher than the KEF Codas !
They are a bit forward hence need a warm Amp (NAD ) to go along with it.

Are they available in India ?

rgds

yeah. they are available in mumbai. that's what their website says.
i would actually rate my diamonds over the codas. they just kepp sounding better with time.

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Wishyouwerehere,

When I went to ProFx to reaudition the KEF cresta, they told that it is sold out.I think you purchased that speaker.

Anyway could you please tell me how was your experience after buying the speaker. How about the Low Frequency Response. Could you please tell me which amp/receiver u have connected with.


Yesterday I happened to audition Sonodyne Sonus 2605. I don't know why it sound very boomy and a little bit forward in the highs. I really didn't like it and the rep didn't have a good collection of cds. I was really frustrated. But there was a demo on hometheatre, there i heard that gut wrenching bass in the movie 'star wars-attack of the clones' but i couldn't hear that much bass in the stereo setup. I then asked him to play the same song in the home theatre section with the towers and roar subwoofer inorder to test. but the av receiver was not so good, very thin and forward and lack of bass. this is what i experienced. i don't know why the movie sounded so good.

Now the speakers which i have to audition are Wharfedale Diamond 8.4 and Acoustic Evo 3. Suppose if i didn't like that speaker then the only option i have is KEF Cresta 30.and iam going to buy that speaker. Though there is lack of bass i heard smooth mid and laid back treble. I really liked exept the low frequency areas.

what's the price of the KEF cresta 30?

It is 22k.

As benkenobi said, since my listening room is small '10ft * 6 ft' there won't be much lacking in the bass in Cresta 30.

Please give me some opinions on this statement.

Hi Vishal,

Are you sure about the dimensions?

For a 10'*6' room, the maths would be somewhat as follows:

Placed along the 6' wall and leaving a minimum of 1' from the side walls, there would be just about 3.5' between the tweeters.

Placed along the 10' wall, even with them 1' away from the wall and your head 1' away from the opposite wall, there would be just 3.5' between you and the speakers.

In either case, IMHO, floorstanders would simply overpower your room. I would be looking at good stand-mounts, known for their near-field capabilities.

Yes. Iam sure about the dimensions.

I can look for floorstanders but I need a good amount of bass. Since Iam going to spend around 70k there should not be any sacrifice in the bass section.

Do you have any suggestions in bookshelf speakers which will be good for bass?

A rep from Music Ranch in bangalore suggested me Tannoy fusion 2 bookshelf speakers.
Do you have any opinions on this tannoy fusion2

First of all i need to know whether even this KEF cresta 30 will overpower my room? I think it is correct for my room.
If iam wrong please tell me

What amp and cdp do you have?

Also, what music do you listen to?

IMHO since the cresta 30 is rear ported it may sound boomy in your room as u may have to struggle with placement. you will need to place them well away from the wall to get the proper bass(especially since u listen to rock).
among the bookshelves, i auditioned the quad 12l. its a great speaker and would be excellent in a room of your size. the bass will definitely not be lacking.

a more cheaper option would be one of the new diamond9s(haven't heard them yet).

the acoustic energy bookshelves are worth a look.

but i personally would prefer the quads.
they are so detailed. but that's just me.

I am not having any amp. Iam planning for a setup.
The amplifier and CDP which i decided as in the thread are

NAD C521BEE CDP
NAD C320BEE Amp.

I listen to mostly all types of music and maximum i listen to hardrock,next is pop, then jazz,hindi OST etc..

Have you heard the Cresta 30s?

What setup were they partnered with?

I heard the Cresta 30 in Profx.

The electronics were Marantz CDP (iam not sure abt the model) and Denon 1055R Amp.

Since the Cresta 30 which was on demo at profx was not supported by wall i didn't hear any bass. But the highs and the mids were really good. The texture mapping in vocals were good.

BTW Benkenobi,

Where did u audition Quad 12L in bangalore?

What is the price of Quad 12L, and price of stand?

If possible i will audition today

they can be auditioned at Total Sound.
they didn't have it on stands but were kept on the quad22ls.
i don't remember the price.sorry.
the highs and mids were definitely better than my diamond8.4s.
refer my name(Sachi).
the person there will usually be Anand.
however, i would advise u to check with other dealers about the price before buying from him.

Since listening is such a subjective issue, it is very difficult to say one product is better than the other. It is therefore, always better for the individual to listen to all the options available in the market, and decide which sounds best to him.

I listen mainly to vocals accompanied by soft music, and my ideal set-up is one which excels in imaging and detail.It should also give tight accurate bass, in keeping with that produced by the instruments used in the music of my choice, and not seem exaggerated.

Now, if your priority is just thumping bass and never mind the detail, then your set-up would obviously be very different from mine.

But, in a general sense, regardless of the amount of bass one craves for, I do not think one can really sacrifice detail in the long run. Too much of bass may be great to listen to for a few minutes, or for showing off to your friends, but over longer periods it will surely result in listening fatigue. You dont want a situation where you keep waiting for the music to end!

Sound, reproduced by speakers, needs to travel some distance to sound natural to the ears. Normally, the larger the speaker, the more space you need around it to allow it to sound its best. Hence, in a small space, it is always better to go in for good quality bookshelves. Large floorstanders may look and sound impressive, but in a small space will only sound muddled.

I havent heard the Cresta 30s, so I cannot comment on them. Maybe you could go back to the dealer and ask him to move the speakers closer to the wall to get a better idea of how they might sound in your room.

yes you are right big-ears.

since my room is small i should go for a bookshelf speakers. I am not a party animal to enjoy the bass. I will also see the detail factor, soundstage etc but i need a good amount of bass inorder to enrich the rock experience.

I have to audition Quad 11L today evening.

I think i have to give up Acoustic Evo 3 as this is a floorstander.

What about Acoustic Evo 1? I saw the technical specification. The frequency response is quotted as 38Hz - 22Khz. It seems it can render the low frequencies very well. Is it so? Then if it renders the lows and highs in a decent way i will go for that.

ONE MORE QUERY

Regarding bi-wiring, if the amplifier is quotted as 30w per channel and if it has biwirable outputs and if the speaker has biwirable terminal as well, then will the power doubles up when it is biwired? (will the power becomes 60w as two 30w are running to a speaker)


Is it possible to biwire a loudspeaker which has biwirable terminal but the amplifier has only single output terminal. If it is done then will the power increase?

there is no power increase in either of the cases.
but regarding the amp with single terminals and speaker with biwire terminals, i have no idea.
i myself am interested if anyone can shed some light over this.
thanks

no...if your amp is rated at 30 W per channel it will deliver only that much or less be it one set of terminals or two.

if your amp has A & B spkr terminals and you connect 4 terminals, your amp would give out 15w per terminal.

Manek.