Siltech cables – check these out !

square_wave schrieb:

Nevertheless a great interconnect compared to any I have heard in the ten thousand category. Guys check these out if you can………… ;)

I'll surely check not! Just very stupid Voodoo-advertisement...

Jürgen

And how was the Einstein Interconnect..

Interesting ...

Prices please ?

abhi.pani schrieb:

And how was the Einstein Interconnect..

That is the star.... Just awesome ! The final comparison with the Einstein was an ear opener.
I did not ask the pricing of the einstein. I am not sure if I can afford it anytime soon....

Amp nut, please check with Goolimangala on the detailed pricing. From my understanding the London is around 10k while the Paris is around 12k.

square_wave schrieb:

I saw myself sitting between a very revealing pair of speakers (GMA Eos 2) running on odyssey mono-blocks .................

What was the earlier Interconnect before you put Siltech ? Was it a Rs 3 / ft lamp wire or else ?

I did not ask the pricing of the einstein. I am not sure if I can afford it anytime soon....

They dont even manufacture it anymore...affordability is secondary.

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

square_wave schrieb: I saw myself sitting between a very revealing pair of speakers (GMA Eos 2) running on odyssey mono-blocks ................. What was the earlier Interconnect before you put Siltech ? Was it a Rs 3 / ft lamp wire or else ?

Hi Suhas,
They were much better than lamp cords……..
I do not want to get into any brand bashing here. The others are quite good and may work well in other systems.
He is still using those cables between the pre/power and speakers.

We just changed the source interconnect.
I just posted what I noticed in this particular system setup in a decent room. Thought they are worth checking out by the forum members if any are interested.

I asked this question because the way you mentioned the differences you observed I got curious enough to know what was the reference point for this comparison.

Anyway I don’t want to start a Cable war here, but I tried ‘LONDON’ on my system , other cables were VDH 102 MK III and NORDOST Blue Haven (I own both) , I could hear no noticeable difference between any of these cables, All sounded the same.

May be I am getting older that must have affected my hearing and yes, my all Cadence system with AN CDP combo is not that revealing enough to show the difference and my room , don’t laugh guys, I agree it is a mess , and further I play those crappy CDs all the time then I forgot to vacuum the floor that day before the trails and Oh , yes , I remember now, my cat was sick that day, humidity was 80% non condensing, SENSEX dropped by 200 points that day, there was a news of riots in J&K that day………..You know so many variables to work on … I gave up.

G_S_Madhav schrieb:

May be I am getting older that must have affected my hearing and yes, my all Cadence system with AN CDP combo is not that revealing enough to show the difference and my room , don’t laugh guys, I agree it is a mess , and further I play those crappy CDs all the time then I forgot to vacuum the floor that day before the trails and Oh , yes , I remember now, my cat was sick that day, humidity was 80% non condensing, SENSEX dropped by 200 points that day, there was a news of riots in J&K that day………..You know so many variables to work on …[b] I gave up.[/b]

LOL

Dear Madhav and Square_wave,

I would like to offer you the Chord Chameleon interconnect, for you to compare it with the VDH, Siltech and Nordost.

Its a similarly priced interconnect.

You are welcome to post your review on the forum after your evaluation.

Interested?

Regards
SNV

Hi Snv,
I have send you a pm.

SNV schrieb:

LOL SNV

I said not to laugh , Jay.

Anyway, I was just kidding.

Sorry Square_Wave nothing against your tests and findings , I was a bit in a realxed mood , after seeing some good communication with our client.

To be frank when I auditioned Siltech I hear no difference with ref to VDH (new, Rs 4.7K / .75 m) and NORDOST (pre-owned Rs 4.5 K , 1.5 m) .

And when one says "I hear no difference" then immdtly some typical reasons (for why he couldn't) are thrown at him....."Your system is not revealing enough" "It is your speakers...man" and blah blah. So I preempted that with the list I mentioned....

Jay, I am interested . This week end I am rather busy but will call you and collect that interconnect from your show room and return it next day evening.

Regards

SUhas

Dear Suhas,

You are welcome to collect it anytime at your convenience.

I will give you a brand new cable, so pls burn it in for about a 100 hours and then evaluate it.

Regards
SNV

My pleasure Sir, if it is possible to collect by tomorrow , will call you and then drop in.

Regards

SUhas

The london I have heard on a few occasions along with the vdh 102mkiii.....found a bit of difference in the very low end freq's, had a bit more detail with siltech.......I do love the vdh for what it is, a good allround cable and even handed across the freq's, Won't be giving up on it in the near future atleast. I am so tempted to make a headphone cable out of it just for fun if I could find an after market pair of connectors for my phones:-)which I am sadly told are not available :-(. Not even as pigtails.

Suhas do write about the chord.

Manek

Siltech makes good cables;

What you guys heard is the tip of the iceberg.
Their 'entry level' products.
There is no attention to detail here.

Trust me, go up the ladder & you will wonder what all a cable can do for you.

The G-5 & G-6 are in a different 'league'

I have had a chance to audition the G-5's in my set up & they were really nice. Were able to come 'rather' close to the Argento's !!!
I am sure the G-6 is a great cable. However, forum folks make fun of the 'cable prices' [from another thread] so I have stopped 'discussing' cables here.

I am so happy that you guys have been exposed and have experianced what the differances in cables can be like.

BTW - I had sent a set of Solitone Cables to GMS's house [KBN] and he 'may' have liked them too. Not so sure....

Gentlemen remember - a cable can only show you what your system has a 'ability' to show. It cannot re-produce or transfer what is not sent to it !!!

square_wave schrieb:

I saw myself sitting between a very revealing pair of speakers (GMA Eos 2) running on odyssey mono-blocks today morning and checking out some fine cables (interconnects) from siltech. Jochen had come over to my friend’s place and I joined them for an hour to check out these cables. The EOS2 are very revealing speakers. We checked out the Paris and London interconnects today. They are quite a revelation. We installed the Paris interconnect. Immediately noticeable was the focus of each instrument. The haze was removed and the images locked into place. It was like music playing from a pitch black background. The harmonics and overtones of each sound were extremely palpable. Tight bass line, clean mids / vocals and a wide soundstage. Overall a very enjoyable interconnect. It was as if you did some upgrade to your cd player………… The London Interconnect was not far behind. It can give the Paris interconnect a run for its money. It does all of the things the “paris” does but with slightly less richness in the sound. Nevertheless a great interconnect compared to any I have heard in the ten thousand category. Guys check these out if you can………… ;)

The GMA Eos2 are indeed very transparent speakers. So they will easily reveal all the deficiancies of a system incl. not well chosen cables. And when everything is chosen carefully and correctly these speakers can be a revalation I guess. I think extremely neutral cables like the Siltechs are a great choice for a system that drives GMAs

abhi.pani schrieb:

I did not ask the pricing of the einstein. I am not sure if I can afford it anytime soon.... They dont even manufacture it anymore...affordability is secondary.

Yes, they have stopped manufacturing the "Neutron Interconnect" some years ago because they thought that it's better to concentrate on the developement of source equipment and amplifiers only.
Earlier Einstein had a range of cables called GREENLINE which was an insider tip among audiophiles in Germany. Even big names such as B...mester where using these cables for the development of their equipment. Four speaker cables were available: Vivace, Unisono (a unique cable specially made for amps with a low damping factor, such as tube amps), Largo and Tremolo. One interconnect, the Allegro was available with copper conductors only and a mix of copper and silver. This cable was later improved further to the EINSTEIN "Neutron". Todays range consists of only four cables: Electron Interconnect, Vivace Superiore Speaker Cable, The Shield Power cord and a power cord that comes along with every amp and CDP of theirs and which is also terminated and sold by me for the Indian market. We talked about it in another thread already.

@ Manek & G_S_Madhav

I know the VDH 102 MK III and I have heard a couple of Nordost cables, but I forgot which cables. I always found that the VDH a bit round sounding with emphasize on the mids and the Nordost cables were all quite bright, almost shouting at you. But this may vary from system to system. So these cables seem to me to be an ideal instrument to correct certain deficiencies and shortcomings of a system. Not really the path of truth in HiFi where neutrality should be the gospel But this my personel view.

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Gentlemen remember - a cable can only show you what your system has a 'ability' to show. It cannot re-produce or transfer what is not sent to it !!!

Very well said indeed

goolimangala schrieb:

bhagwan69 schrieb: Gentlemen remember - a cable can only show you what your system has a 'ability' to show. It cannot re-produce or transfer what is not sent to it !!! Very well said indeed :prost

I'll agree too ..

Infact the same will extend to other components as well....not just cables

Agree with you siva and bhagwan....

goolimangala schrieb:

@ Manek & G_S_Madhav I know the VDH 102 MK III and I have heard a couple of Nordost cables, but I forgot which cables. I always found that the VDH a bit round sounding with emphasize on the mids and the Nordost cables were all quite bright, almost shouting at you. But this may vary from system to system. So these cables seem to me to be an ideal instrument to correct certain deficiencies and shortcomings of a system. Not really the path of truth in HiFi where neutrality should be the gospel But this my personel view.

I agree with your observation.I too have found the Nordost a bit on the bright side in my system as well as a few others. I have checked out only the red dawn interconnect.

Out of all these interconnects and speaker cables costing under 10k, I have found the Gronenberg reference quattro Cables from germany to be quite nice. They out perform most other cables at that level. I found them more neutral than the Nordost and some other cables at around 10k.We had them in the pre-power section yesterday. Seemed to go well with the Siltech in the source-pre section.

square_wave schrieb:

Out of all these interconnects and speaker cables costing under 10k, I have found the Gronenberg reference quattro Cables from germany to be quite nice. They out perform most other cables at that level. I found them more neutral than the Nordost and some other cables at around 10k.We had them in the pre-power section yesterday. Seemed to go well with the Siltech in the source-pre section.

Good observation, square_wave!
I have not heard the Groeneberg Quattro interconnects but I own 2 pairs of Groeneberg TS Premiums & they are indeed a very nice cable. More expensive than the Quattro Reference (by how much I do not know). The Groeneberg cables hold their own against some other similarly priced cables that I've pitted them against (TARA Labs Master Gen 2, Virtual Dynamics David 1.0, Virtual Dynamics Nite 2.0). If you have the money, skip the Quattro Reference & go upto the TS Premiums.

product details ?
web site ?
Groeneberg Quattro Reference IC
thx

bhagwan69 schrieb:

product details ? web site ? Groeneberg Quattro Reference IC thx

http://www.groneberg.com/english/

Regards
SNV

danke'

I second Bombaywalla's comments on the Groneberg TS Premiums ICs though I've had mine just a few weeks back & probably still breaking in. Am yet to notice any drawbacks as such. Beautiful full tonal structure is the first thing you notice immediately. TS Premiums are Euro 446 for 1m with WBTs.

bhagwan69 schrieb:

danke'

Keine Ursache!

Regards
SNV

BTW, we are the dealers for Groneberg cables in India (if anyone is interested ), however I dont have any TS Preimium cables with me currently, have the other - Series 3 and Groneberg Quatro's - both speaker cables and ICs.

While they are our best selling cables so far, these cables are typically bought by all our Odyssey Audio customers as the internal wiring in the pre's/powers is all by Groneberg

BTW, if I am not mistaken, Symphonic Line also uses Groneberg...Bombaywalla might have an idea...

cheers

bhagwan69 schrieb:

product details ? web site ? Groeneberg Quattro Reference IC thx

redwine schrieb:

BTW, we are the dealers for Groneberg cables in India (if anyone is interested ), however I dont have any TS Preimium cables with me currently, have the other - Series 3 and Groneberg Quatro's - both speaker cables and ICs. While they are our best selling cables so far, these cables are typically bought by all our Odyssey Audio customers as the internal wiring in the pre's/powers is all by Groneberg BTW, if I am not mistaken, Symphonic Line also uses Groneberg...Bombaywalla might have an idea... cheers bhagwan69 schrieb: product details ? web site ? Groeneberg Quattro Reference IC thx

Sorry Redwine, but recently at a Odyssee owner's home I changed the Gronebergs against Siltech London and Paris. The imrovement was so obvious that everybody, even someone with no trained ears, would consider the Siltechs as far superior to the Groneberg. I wonder what will happen when the internal cabling in the Odyssee amps will also be changed to Siltech
The owner of the Odyssee amps has immediately realized the potential of the Siltechs and has ordered the Siltech NewYork Interconnect.

Siltech makes lovely cables;
However, their 'ref' products cost an arm and a leg - that is a huge deterant.
I have heard them a few times and like them a lot.

Hi

Sorry for what? I am glad to know that you are in the camp that believes cables makes a difference (as I am in that too) I never stated that the Siltechs are bad cables in anyway, this would be silly of me as Siltech cables are well regarded. If I get an XYZ cable tomorrow and in a setup find that "its better", it does not immediately downgrade the Siltechs, this is silly.
What I mentioned above (and I went out of my way to do this) is that most of our customers who use Odyssey products prefer the Groneberg between the Odyssey components as there is synergy. In this case only the amp is from Odyssey. I for one firmly believe that at a given price range you can find that different cables may be prefered by different people, does not mean that one is [u]better [/u]than the other, this could be very much based on the listener's preference and what he is trying to achieve. This is also the reason why there are so many products in the industry, otherwise Siltechs would be the only ones left.

The NY interconnects also seem quite a bit more expensive (based on a quick google search) than the Gronebergs he has...?
The Gronebergs also require quite a bit of burn-in, I had given him a brand new set the previous evening, is this what you used?

cheers
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Sorry Redwine, but recently at a Odyssee owner's home I changed the Gronebergs against Siltech London and Paris. The imrovement was so obvious that everybody, even someone with no trained ears, would consider the Siltechs as far superior to the Groneberg. I wonder what will happen when the internal cabling in the Odyssee amps will also be changed to Siltech
The owner of the Odyssee amps has immediately realized the potential of the Siltechs and has ordered the Siltech NewYork Interconnect. [/quote]

Sorry (again), but the way you are advertising Groneberg cables in this Siltech thread, it sounds as if only Groneberg cabels are the one and only choice for Odyssey amps because the developer has chosen it as internal wiring also and therefore the Odyssey owners are using this one only.

? The first three posts on this thread about the Gronebergs werent by me, I apologize if this thread got turned into a discussion on Groneberg rather than Siltechs. I re-read my initial post and I didnt find anything there that I hyped..? I simply stated that the internal wiring is Groneberg (just a simple fact) in the Odyssey components and I also used the keyword "most people" which in itself meant that I am not trying to claim universal truth in anyway. If you feel that my post meant "one and only" than I suggest you read it again.

whats the price on the Siltech NY's? if you dont want to post it on this forum, you can PM me.

cheers

goolimangala schrieb:

Sorry (again), but the way you are advertising Groneberg cables in this Siltech thread, it sounds as if only Groneberg cabels are the one and only choice for Odyssey amps because the developer has chosen it as internal wiring also and therefore the Odyssey owners are using this one only.