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DING DONG,DING,DONG !!

stevieboy schrieb:

obviously if you state something its your opinion the amusement was more towards people who take offence at the slightest statement

If the word "obviously" is misused or taken for granted...its no more "obvious".

What you feel "slight" may not be slight for me and thats the reason I have seen most of the matured audiophiles understand the importance of such courtesies and use it as often as possible (even you do it).
There are hundreds of illustrations of such courtesies being used in our forum by the senior forum members (even when they are discussing a difference of opinion on a subject) and thats also one of the reason their posts are well regarded.
Are they fools to take care of these subtle mannerisms while communicating with a fellow audiophile!!...or do you feel they lack common sense ?

For the clarity of this post let me jot down a few lines that our SW had written and which were not the "slightest statements" for me:

What if there are people who can hear the difference ??? It is not a mystery for most of us.

What does the "can" in this statement mean ???????...... Others cannot??????????????

When you say its not a "mystery for most of us"...is it not saying "you go figure, something is wrong with you" ??
Buddy Steve, I bet, if I would have told the same statements to you even over a casual coffee table....you wouldnt take it "lightly". How you would react I dont know, but you wouldnt ignore it (thinking its just a personal opinion)....in fact any audiophile worth his salt would take umbrage to such ridiculously downright offensive statements IMO. I havent gone uncivilized because thats not my style.

Abhi, Your source could be the culprit here. And I remember you using some generic OFC cable (MX type) as speaker cables also. If you place bottle-necks like that after the interconnect in the chain, how can you hear differences ?

Who are you to bring out bottle-necks of my system on a public forum (unless I invite for it)???????????????????????
It can be discussed only at a personal level (if this was a PM I wouldnt have bothered, instead rather discussed it further through PMs).
Look at the words in bold...."Totally Ridiculous"!!!

Steve Bhai, I dont know how far you would tolerate it...but for me its the last thing I would tolerate!!!!!!!!!
If I try to ridicule your system and your hearing capabilities to prove that my interconnects are great..I am wondering what you or any other audiophile would do !!!

His reference one is a totally different story.It will have the Jaguars and TMC for breakfast.

He has never A/Bed them side by side and he also knows that his fellow audiophiles on this forum use these products...indirectly he is speaking of other member's equipments...
If he would have said the same thing about your amp (comparing it to one of the amp manufactured by another of his audio circle DIY Hobbyist)...what would have been your reaction ?
I dont know what your common sense would have said...but mine says..."no mercy"

DING DONG,DING,DONG !!

No. Bottle-Neck

Savyasaachi schrieb:

IMHO---code for "I don't give a rat's a$$ what you think".. So don't mistake it to be anything else.

Gentlemen, pleeeaaassseee!
Why this duel unto death?
Why this need to grind someone into the ground?
Is there such a great issue of personal honour involved?
The issue appears to have moved far beyond cables....
Lets call a halt, I pray to you!

Savyasaachi schrieb:

stevieboy schrieb: abhi.pani schrieb: Thats the reason we add a humble IMO/IMHO when we are stating an explicit opinion. I just cant say something (biased) and get away unnoticed unless I append a few lines of courtesy (IMO/IMHO or something similar) even though its more or less implied.... thats the whole point abhi. my view IMHO is that all these abbreviations are more 'politically correct' than anything else. obviously if you state something its your opinion the amusement was more towards people who take offence at the slightest statement and think its gospel truth being forced down their throats like bitter medicine rather than an opinion being expressed. but the final word, DONG!images/smilies/insane.gif IMHO---code for "I don't give a rat's a$$ what you think".. So don't mistake it to be anything else.

Anyway It doesn't matter. I don't give a rat's ass !

Kamal schrieb:

Is there such a great issue of personal honour involved?

[OT] This reminds me of Tomoyasu Hotei's track from the kill bill ost - Battle Without Honor or Humanity. That track is amazing This thread is not. (IMHO :P)
[/OT]

This topic is really HOT !

The show must go on DING DONG DING DONG !

And let the music play on ..... with all its $$$$$$$ibilance !!!!!

Dear Sirs,

My apologies for breaking off abruptly as I had to rush to catch a flight. Back on terra firma again, so lets carry on!

Shri Arj, please understand I did not take a cheap shot at SW's system based on its monetary value. So rest assured, I did not hit below the belt. But yes, I did mention it in the context that because I now know the gear on which our esteemed friend does his evaluating, surely his evaluations have to be taken with a pinch of salt. When he uses audiophile jargon to describe subtle differences in what he is hearing in his system, I now have a fair idea how much of it could be true. I am not being condescending, this is a simple fact. I may think I am the cat's whiskers if I own a Plinius 9200, but then there is the SA 102 offering more resolution. If I own the 102, there is the SA 250. If I own the 250, there is the SA Ref... And this is just within the Plinius brand, there is Mcintosh...Boulder...Lammm...Halcro...to name just a few.

As Abhi.Pani has rightly pointed out, his system was spoken disparagingly about. I can fully understand his indignation. There is no personal vendetta here, but what are the credentials of the person commenting with such authority? Where has this presumptious air of authority come from? Why should it be allowed to flourish?

Where am I coming from? Well, we all have the right to express our views on the net. But surely, if we make blatantly uninformed and misleading statements then we should expect an appropriate response. This holds true for all the popular forums enjoying wide international participation. But I seem to have rocked your little boat here.

Indian_Duke schrieb:

Shri Arj, please understand I did not take a cheap shot at SW's system based on its monetary value. So rest assured, I did not hit below the belt. .... Where am I coming from? Well, we all have the right to express our views on the net. But surely, if we make blatantly uninformed and misleading statements then we should expect an appropriate response. This holds true for all the popular forums enjoying wide international participation. But I seem to have rocked your little boat here.

Cool.. and i must also apologise if i seemed like taking sides I guess even SW was not being exactly nice to Abhi so I hope things are back to "Square"


Actually i was a bit interested when you said mentioned measurements.

While some manufacturers like QED and Nordost (Maybe others) mention the inductance/capacitance/resistance Values and some like MIT/Transparent cables try to keep impedance predictable not all other cable manufacturers do the same. do you feel that is what brings up all this grey area subjective business.

If we have a frequency Vs Ipedance plot for all cables how different would they be..would that bring more predictability to cable behaviour ?

no more. to each his own. mine was a very very general post not taking into account who said what here so i'm not excusing anyone or accusing anyone. and i certainly wasn't saying your slight was light abhi. not for me to judge.

here's a new acronym everyone can add to the list RIP

Indian_Duke schrieb:

Dear Sirs, My apologies for breaking off abruptly as I had to rush to catch a flight. Back on terra firma again, so lets carry on! Shri Arj, please understand I did not take a cheap shot at SW's system based on its monetary value. So rest assured, I did not hit below the belt. But yes, I did mention it in the context that because I now know the gear on which our esteemed friend does his evaluating, surely his evaluations have to be taken with a pinch of salt. When he uses audiophile jargon to describe subtle differences in what he is hearing in his system, I now have a fair idea how much of it could be true. I am not being condescending, this is a simple fact. I may think I am the cat's whiskers if I own a Plinius 9200, but then there is the SA 102 offering more resolution. If I own the 102, there is the SA 250. If I own the 250, there is the SA Ref... And this is just within the Plinius brand, there is Mcintosh...Boulder...Lammm...Halcro...to name just a few. As Abhi.Pani has rightly pointed out, his system was spoken disparagingly about. I can fully understand his indignation. There is no personal vendetta here, but what are the credentials of the person commenting with such authority? Where has this presumptious air of authority come from? Why should it be allowed to flourish? Where am I coming from? Well, we all have the right to express our views on the net. But surely, if we make blatantly uninformed and misleading statements then we should expect an appropriate response. This holds true for all the popular forums enjoying wide international participation. But I seem to have rocked your little boat here.

Hello Mr Indian Duke…Good afternoon !
You seem to assume a lot about me. Where / how I test my cables, My exposure / access to equipment, How I arrive at conclusions etc….
What a great person. I bow down to you.

And I am sure that all others who compared and made comments on interconnects /cables USE equipment made by the so-called super hi-end brands named by you.

BTW: I come from a different school of thought. The names you threw around do not mean anything to me. Even If I can afford them, I won’t buy them. I follow a different path when it comes to hi-resolution audio. I am sure that you being such an experienced audiophile know that there are different paths to the same. Mine is different so go figure.

This is my last post here……….Such a useless waste of time.

The issue appears to have moved far beyond cables.... Lets call a halt, I pray to you!

No the issue is still got to do with cables.. wriniging each other.. the lower the gauge the harder for opponent...

Peace to all and Sundry

I'm loving it ..

Sanjay!
Stop fanning the flames!

square_wave schrieb:

BTW: I come from a different school of thought. The names you threw around do not mean anything to me. Even If I can afford them, I won’t buy them. I follow a different path when it comes to hi-resolution audio.

Looks like your path is not much different from mine. While I prefer to DIY my system, you buy mostly from DIY(amateur, small scale, read custom) manufacturers .

Sir,

I would like to add my 2 tit/bits here, if I may.

Your attitude is perfect. DIY is great. Also the idea of supporting DIY is wonderful;
However, I may want to suggest that some form of main stream product should be there along side to do an A / B so that one gets an idea of where the DIY project stands.

If I could just give an example to illustrate;
If Mr. M [Murthy's] Cable is to be evaluated and it has a price of Rs. X, then an other cable that has a price of 4X should be put against it in the same camparison [I have a reason for that X & 4X, I will write about that later].

Basically, where I am coming from is that since DIY is like your 'baby' one tends to start believing that it is 'so good' that the bigger view or picture at times gets blurd !!

I hope I could put my point through well. I will try and work on better examples and illustrations. Sorry !!

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Basically, where I am coming from is that since DIY is like your 'baby' one tends to start believing that it is 'so good' that the bigger view or picture at times gets blurd !! !

Completely agree with you on this point. I have never been able to compare my speakers with other than the wharfedale diamond 8.4s..which was no competition to mine but then again, i feel my speaker was a good first effort but needs to be reworked completely. I already have bigger and better plans for my next speaker project. WHen it will be executed if the big question for me...

Please do put ahead more analogies, examples to further your opinion. I would be most interested. I could learn a thing or two from people like you who have been exposed to more commercial speakers/setups than i will ever be able to audition..

Hi Savyasaachi !

I have started a new thread under DIY.
That may be a more appropriate place for this discussion.
I shall try and throw some light on what I feel on that thread.
Thanks for looking !

bhagwan69 schrieb:

Hi Savyasaachi ! I have started a new thread under DIY. That may be a more appropriate place for this discussion. I shall try and throw some light on what I feel on that thread. Thanks for looking !

Great

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106878

Trying to fan....