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oarnura schrieb:

Just to go back to prithvi's setup. Is the Music Fidelity an integrated amp or a power amp? What is the Preamp used with the Bryston and or MF? What is the source?

I use the MF A3CR pre/pwr combo, the source changes from a modded DVD-2900 DENON universal player or a LINN CLASSIK MUSIC. Even the A3CR pre-pwr combo is far superior to the BRYSTONS.

Sometimes I use the A3CR pre-amp with the BRYSTON 7B-STs. Speakers vary from PROAC STUDIO 130, STUDIO 140, RESPONCE D15, LINN KATAN, NINKA & DYNAUDIO AUDIENCE 52SE. Yes the 7B St has oodles of power and is a great bass amp. "TAS" mentioned that it was a reference bass amp"

Sadly the PLINIUS SA-102 pwr amp with a DIY tube pre or the A3CR pre beats the hell out of the BRYSTONS. No comparision at all. (one day I will own the SA-REFs of Plinius). To each his own. This is my personal likes and if you like Brystons, so be it.

Prithvi schrieb:

I use the MF A3CR pre/pwr combo, the source changes from a modded DVD-2900 DENON universal player or a LINN CLASSIK MUSIC. Even the A3CR pre-pwr combo is far superior to the BRYSTONS. Sometimes I use the A3CR pre-amp with the BRYSTON 7B-STs. Speakers vary from PROAC STUDIO 130, STUDIO 140, RESPONCE D15, LINN KATAN, NINKA & DYNAUDIO AUDIENCE 52SE. Yes the 7B St has oodles of power and is a great bass amp. "TAS" mentioned that it was a reference bass amp" Sadly the PLINIUS SA-102 pwr amp with a DIY tube pre or the A3CR pre beats the hell out of the BRYSTONS. No comparision at all. (one day I will own the SA-REFs of Plinius). To each his own. This is my personal likes and if you like Brystons, so be it. :prost

I find it hilarious that you claim an amp is superior without qualifying it as your opinion first. You shouldn't make generalisations such as X is far superior without saying " IMO or to my ears X is far superior to Y".

I respect the fact that you did claim that these were your likes in the end.
I am sorry but I have heard the music fidelity combo I don't remember the model ( Ithink it was the A5 integrated) and they were pretty average. IMO A bryston Sp1.7 with a Bryston 9B SST handily outclasses the MF and it does 7.1 decoding and 5 channel amplification too boot .

Did it occur to you that the MF pre is actually horrible and the Bryston is revealing it? You are comparing a matched pre-poweramp combo to just an amplifier. Simply Hilarious! Get a BP 25 and watch your opinion change.

The plinius amp you have is a current shipping model and the Bryston was what made anywhere from 1993-1999? Great comparison!!!

I don't think you are a Bryston dealer. Are you? Let me guess you are a music fidelity dealer. Get a newer Bryston in and the BP25 and watch it blow you away. These are my opnions. Cheers.

To each his own.

Arun,

Have you bought stock in the company manufacturing Bryston amplifiers? Since you seem to be touting them so much.

Grow up fellow. There are all sorts of choices in this world!

Viren.

Hey...

All those who strongly plug for any product, commercially or otherwise, must offer to demo them to fellow forum members, at a mutually suitable time, in small groups, with or without,

Roshan.

viren schrieb:

Arun, Have you bought stock in the company manufacturing Bryston amplifiers? Since you seem to be touting them so much. Grow up fellow. There are all sorts of choices in this world! Viren.

NO. But I would, I just find them to be the most genuine and no BS company in the audio business with the best customer service. Trust me I have gotten tired of all the snake oil and " golden ear" BS over time. They are the only company I know of that says expensive speaker cable and power cords make no difference what so ever.

I agree that there are all sorts of choices. Have you ever read anything I have said to mean that my ears or choices are better. Prithivi just did and hence my harsher reply. I always as much as possible try to state opinion as opinion and not as fact.

Fact is bryston is used to master music and movies. The guys who make the Audiophile grade CDs and movies actually listen to them through Bryston equipment to know if it sounds right. Claiming that it isn't good quality and sound wise is dubious at best. Claiming something is superior according to one's opinion and stating it as fact is worse. I don't like generalisation.

There was a confusion in the Tube vs SS thread about the recording of music and tubes. I was trying to say that mastering and recording ( using tubes for miking and guitars to produce a certain effect by overdriving) are different things. REG from TAS says the samething as someone above quoted. Read J. Gorodon Holt's take on the studio monitors.

Having a dealer, who has built a good reputation, claim a product is inferior with out actually testing apples to apples is something I find hard to tolerate. Prithivi is a nice guy and I am sure also a great dealer. But he must admit that he was making invalid comparisons to draw conslusions. Comparing a brand new amp to a used model which could be in any shape and many years older isn't apples to apples. comparing the sound of a matched preamp and power amp to just a power amp isn't either and writting off a brand based on that isn't mature. That is all I was pointing out.

BTW I have no stake in Bryston's success or failure. I don't own stock nor do I sell audio products for a living. I am just a customer ( I bought the Bryston used off a colleague) who knows Bryston won't let me down even though I didn't pay retail price for the Amp for 12 more years. I respect a big succesful company whose VPs as engineers hangout in forums to answer question thier customers have. I became a fan of Bryston after actually listening to thier equipment and then hearing about all the great things about it. I didn't know till after I bought the amp that Bryston was big in studios. After I found this out, I found PMC. I then realised all the snake oil there is in the industry that after spending god awful number of hours tweaking my system with expensive cables that dealers suggested.

The Brystons drove my B&Ws just as well as they do my PMCs.

In the end to each his own. But if you actually sell audio gear for a living try to be as accurate in your dealings with products, other people look up to you for advice. Don't write off an obviously great piece of equipment wihtout atleast hearing what thier new piece of euipment paired with thier equipment sounds like.

roshan schrieb:

Hey... All those who strongly plug for any product, commercially or otherwise, must offer to demo them to fellow forum members, at a mutually suitable time, in small groups, with or without, Roshan.

Sure Roshan. If you are ever in california drop by for a demo. I will make it a point to listen to Prithvi's setup the next time I am in B'lore.

PMC TB2 series are these good sounding speakers?

I found them to be very good. have heard the OB1 (I think). very crisp and to the point with a wonderful bass.
I am not very good at detecting colour in speakers but they say PMCs are usually very neutral doe to their recording heritage.

Since they are owned by the sam grp which distributes Bryston, I heard these are voiced using Bryston and hence the synergy.

did u hear that at Bangalore?
but how was the treble experience from the speakers?

I found the PMCs to be very good from an engineering point of view as well. Thier off axis dispersion is amazing. Their imaging and soundstage is phenomenal they just disappear.

The DB1 thier smallest speaker sounds much much larger than it looks and if placed in a room of speaker one would be hardpressed to not pick the big floor standers. The TB2 is it's bigger brother. The are both used as studio monitors.

The tramission line design makes for very accurate bass response. They are amazingly light, becuase of the inherent trasmission line bracing and damping, there is absolutely no cabinet resonance. There is no mumbo jumbo like filling the cabinet with sand or lead to get better bass.

The first speaker I felt deserved the price because of the technology they use and not just the wood finish. Transmission lines designs are not common because they are expensive to manufacture.

The also remain distortion free at high SPLs you jack the volume up and the sound just get louder with no distortion, true to thier studio monitor heritage.

Anyway listen to them if you get a chance, you may or may not like them but thier are worth an audition.

In general how much a pair of TB2 costs any idea?

Sonic_Master schrieb:

In general how much a pair of TB2 costs any idea?

I think the retail is about $1495 in the US.

That said I think the DB1+ is an extremely good value for $1095.

Sonic_Master schrieb:

did u hear that at Bangalore? but how was the treble experience from the speakers?

I heard it in Singapore at their dealers . avery overpowering krell was driving them. They were actually demoing an Audiomecca CDP.

I really do not remember the treble response. all I can remember was that the treble was definitely not as good as the Martin Logan Aerius I had heard just 10 min before that !

It did Rock and jazz very very good . I do not remeber how it did the rest

How much would the smallest Bryston stereo integrated amp cost in India? They seem to be up my street - good sound with no colouration. Would Bryston mate well with an electrostatic like Cadence?

I believe there is a bryston dealer in delhi. I remember talking to him once in Bombay but forget the name.

From my experiece of cadence electrostats, they are surprisingly easy to drive and should make a very nice combo.

The reason I say this is that I have heard them with many amps from entry level to expensive like jeff rowland, classe, arcam, nad, cadence, roksan, parasound, etc....and I have yet to be disappointed by the performance.

Manek.

Neutral,
here is the address of the Bryston dealer in India.

Sound of Music
N-61 , G.K.-I ,
NEW DELHI - 110048
INDIA
Ph: 55515557-61 , 51630897 , 51630898
Fax: 26480921 , 00-1-775-3830047
soundofmusic@swissmail.org


Cheers

Manek wrote :

From my experiece of cadence electrostats, they are surprisingly easy to drive and should make a very nice combo. The reason I say this is that I have heard them with many amps from entry level to expensive like jeff rowland, classe, arcam, nad, cadence, roksan, parasound, etc....and I have yet to be disappointed by the performance.

looks like you've decided to buy Cadence electro stats.BTW whats your opinion on Brystons. I just couldn't figure out in the other post what it sounds like as most members were irate against each other.Are Brystons really used as Bass reference blocks.

TROJAN_HORSE schrieb:

Manek wrote : looks like you've decided to buy Cadence electro stats.BTW whats your opinion on Brystons. I just couldn't figure out in the other post what it sounds like as most members were irate against each other.Are Brystons really used as Bass reference blocks.

Brystons are used as reference equipment in many world class studios like dolby, dts, harmonia mundi, captiol, chesky.

Here is thier full user list.
http://bryston.ca/user1.html

Trojan...
Brystons are used in many recording studios and many homes too :-)

Their superb build quality reflects in their 15 yr warranty offered. I have not heard them personally but they are reputed to be pretty neutral, can handle difficult speaker loads.

Manek.

15 years warranty???###@@@@@, do you mean what you wrote or is it 15 months, must be the latter- .Mate do you think anybody would have a set up for 15 years without upgrade?Incredible, but it would cost a lot is my guessing.

Trojan,

Sorry I was mistaken....my fault.....!

15 yrs is what they used to offer...
now its 20 years....check this out !

http://www.bryston.ca/warranty.html

They give you a twenty year warranty as they are so sure about their product and that they believe it reproduces ll of the music fed to it faithfully.

Manek.

Manek.

That's the craziest thing I've ever read.Simply unbeleivable.Does that apply to small integrated amplifiers too

All bryston equipment....and warranty applicable not only to the first owner but subsequent owners as well.

manek.

Hey you that's good,any vintage brystons for sale?What might an integrated cost?

about brystons for sale....you could try the audio dealers. I am of the opinion is that many bryston owners are never in a hurry to change their amps so you'll be luck to find one.

manek.