Dynaudio Focus 140

reignofchaos schrieb:

Sridhar got it for around 900$ from the US. They don't carry MHZS.

http://www.cattylink.com/page100.html

Is this the CD Player you are talking about ?

Is it any good ?



http://www.cattylink.com/page41.html

another link.

Not sure of the rest, but odyssey did seem to have more detail than the McCormack when me and Sridhar A/B'ed it but the McCormack sounded a bit smoother to me with the same pre/source. We did not test the McCormack yesterday as I didn't get it.

Yesterday the Plinius seemed to sound smoother with more harmonic detail than the Odyssey Pre/Power however the Odyssey had a bit better bass. The McCormack had more bass than the plinius and I felt it had more bass than the Odyssey too. Of course point to note is that the Odyssey still hasn't burnt in completely.

Personally what I felt was that the Odyssey combo is more clinically accurate than the rest. However the plinius sounds better. The McCormack is a bit rough on the edges in terms of refinement but has exceptional bass control and drive which neither the Odyssey or the Plinius integrated can match. Burning in the Odyssey further might improve things.

There definitely was way more bass at the rear wall but very little else... :(. We also tried a completely different type of speaker... the Anthony Gallo ref3. The bass response was similar but the sound didn't appeal to me.

bhagwan69 schrieb:

reignofchaos schrieb: Sridhar got it for around 900$ from the US. They don't carry MHZS. http://www.cattylink.com/page100.html Is this the CD Player you are talking about ? Is it any good ? :.

Yes sir thats the CD player and I liked it very much. I think even abhi liked it a lot. The price on that page is really really cheap.

It gets cheaper if you do a TT & do not buy through paypal & you can pay in US $'s and the price does down by 20 % more.

Some more audio secrets !!!

The 'commercial members will not like me putting such links up on this forum. If it offends them, I shall refrain....
[do pm me and let me know - if it hurts I shall stop]

Bhagwan wrote

You did not write about the 3 different cd players ?

Okay...I kind of forgot. Nothing home to write about the Usher CDP. The MHZS are nice. They definitely are superb VFM. Unfortunately not available for a direct buy in India. But they are the one to consider if you are looking for a CDP under 50k.

I really do not like the McCormack. You say that the Odysey sounded worse than the M's ? Is this the same amp that is made by Mr. Rolf of Symphonic Line ? I used to love his Kraft. Heard it a few times & I really liked the amplifier. It is always used with Accapella Speakers....

Sorry buddy...no idea about the Odyssey lineage...I dont even know what other amps they have. I was just talking for this particular model.

Not sure of the rest, but odyssey did seem to have more detail than the McCormack when me and Sridhar A/B'ed it but the McCormack sounded a bit smoother to me with the same pre/source. We did not test the McCormack yesterday as I didn't get it.

Hmm...yes it would have made sense for me to judge the McCormack and Odyssey next to each other rather than relying on my Audio memory. But one thing that I am pretty sure is that the McCormack does have a more lush sound than the Odyssey. Whether it is at the cost of detail is something I need to evaluate .

Yesterday the Plinius seemed to sound smoother with more harmonic detail than the Odyssey Pre/Power however the Odyssey had a bit better bass.

Actually it wasnt that way if I remember. Initially when we connected the Plinius after listening to the Odyssey we did comment of Plinius having a better bass. But what Odyssey could do ahead of Plinius was , it was able to drive the Ushers to insane levels (that we tried during the end of the session). That definitely showed the advantage of a dedicated power amp over an Integrated. You would have to go to 2.O clock on Plinius to get the same loudness what the Odyssey was giving at 11.30. But one wouldnt be comfortable doing that .

The McCormack had more bass than the plinius and I felt it had more bass than the Odyssey too.

The McCormack was at my place for a couple of days as well. I used my Plinius Integrated as pre-amp at that point of time. It definitely had a bit more bass than Plinius. But with a degraded defination. The bass was bloated in comparison. Even the treble and mids were grainy in comparison. When I further read up on the net about McCormack (I was considering to buy it actually to be paired with Plinius as a preamp) I learnt that those issues are taken care of upto a good extent when you get the amp modded with their upgrade packages. The mod is done by the company themselves. Mostly people in US directly send the amp to mod after buying. All this was later confirmed by none other Steve McCormack who replied to my Post on Audio Asylum . But unfortunately we cannot avail that facility here in India .

Burning in the Odyssey further might improve things.

Yes...the Odyssey had done about 200 hours and the guy out there said that they need at least around 300 hours.

We also tried a completely different type of speaker... the Anthony Gallo ref3. The bass response was similar but the sound didn't appeal to me.

Even i didnt like it.

Hi Everyone
My first post here, so lets see if I can get this right
This business/hobby is amazing in that many people listen to a particular setup and each may come out with a differnt impression, but then again, thats why there are so many companies, so many philosophies and in some way this is what makes it fun
Now for my thoughts on a few of the posts/quetsions -

Dont buy the MHZS CDP from Cattylink since the authenticity can be guarunteed only by Pacific valve. I have seen photos of MHZS players bought elsewhere and a lot of fake/cheap parts inside
Also MHZS claims of a different DAC chip isnt true so dont fall for that nonsense. Its also spec'd badly by the company but again this has been confirmed by independent reports to not be the case (I believe its spec'd with a 5 db variation across the spectrum)
having said that, I have had good experience dealing with Cattylink myself for other products in the past, definitely worth it although their shipping costs are high, but the flip side is that they offer a few days burn in to check that the product isnt defective.
p.s. I am not associated with Pacific valve in any way, just thought I would pass on what I have learnt.

For those who are looking at a good transport option, the MHZS is an excellent one for the price and there are reviews which have compared this with top of the line stuff.
I will write more about the MHZS in another post but the describing factor for me on this player is that it does most things right, but does sacrifice on the bottom end. I am sure that the fact that it uses a tube rectifier stage contributes to this. The CD66 is a better trade off in comparision and also cheaper and again a great transport. In fact, this is a great player mods. I am sure some of the modders on this forum could take it to the next step. Siva, if you are reading this, we might meet some day, we have common friends but have never had the oppurtunity to meet Maybe you can have a go at my CDP

With regards to the Odyssey Stratos - In my years playing around with audio equipment I have very rarely come across as good a value as the Odyssey, yes there are others in this price range, but very few from what I have seen. The Statos itself as Bhagwan66 mentioned is a direct descendent of the Kraft amplifier from Rolf Gemin of SL. Klaus B worked with SL before he moved to the US and took a licensing arrangement with SL to launch Odyssey in the US. The Stratos mono extreme (glass ceiling version) is about the closest that one can get to the KRAFT amplifiers. No its not identical by any means, keeping in mind that the price differential is huge.
Klaus doesnt believe in magazine reviews too much unfortunately which makes it inaccessible to the larger public, but then again thats what keeps the cost low. Stratos comes in many versions, the Extreme stereo version of the Stratos is the top of the line within the stereo versions (not counting monoblocks). Last I know, there are over 3000+ extremes in circulation, the vast majority sold through word of mouth, by any stretch this is a huge number. The Stratos and dare I say all Odyssey products are very notorious for needing burn-in to the point that I tell my customers to turn it on and break it in for at least 200 hrs and if the extreme version, at least 300 hrs. This is all well documented in the AC forums. In this time period the bass especially comes and goes and is not just gradually improving like a lot of other SS amps. The extreme that I have has about 180 hours and is getting there... The Candela tube pre is a very nice pre, however its IMO nowhere the VFM that the Odyssey amps are. The Candela is also not a Klaus or SL design. Its still good VFM when compared to a lot of the other stuff out there.
I have had a customer recently move from 2 Bryston 7BSST monoblocks to a Stratos Extreme. But again, this is also about music preferences, not just raw power or bass. The signature sound of an Odyssey is characterized by "musicality". To use reviewer terms, its slightly on the warm side of neutral. To some extent it does sacrifice detail for musicality. The Odyssey is not at all a Clinical sounding amp, have also never seen it described this way.

When A/B'ing its well known that the higher volume setup tends to sound better (unless ofcourse there is a drastic difference between the two). Actually a 0.15 to 0.2 dB can make a difference (the steps in which the human ear can perceive sound level), needless to say we didnt have any of this yesterday, at some point (once we move to our new place) we might get one. This present room doubles up as a home theater room (primarily) and then 2-channel. Hell we noticed bass bloom too and resonance in the room since the platform we were sitting on was a bit hollow (sand filled but needs tightening). Bhagwan66 is also right that going to the back of the room near the wall enhances bass.
In general, the center of the room is the worst place for bass, it increases in either wall of the room. What we did try after they had left yesterday was bringing the speakers way forward and aiming at listening position on the back wall, while impractical for most listening sessions, this worked like a charm.

Yesterday in the audtion, we didnt have the McCormak with us, as ReignofChaos mentioned, we had it the previous time when only he was there, so Abhi did not have a chance to hear it. We did not do any level matching on the setups with the Odyssey and the McCormack, so there would be no point in me trying to guess the differences between the two amps, but one thing that did seem to strike us both is the detail which he already mentioned in the previous post. The bass also seemed to be slightly higher in the McCormack, hard to know which is right. Also there is a huge difference in the input sensitity between the amps, this again makes a difference even if the preamp volume is kept constant. We did also try the Plinius with the Candela Pre and this did not work at all...Abhi mentioned that he had never used the Plinius only as a power amp, so I dont know what was wrong there.
The Usher CDP CD-7 is a new design and a very new launch, in fact Usher isnt known for their electronics. Having said that, the CD-7 for the money surprised me quite a bit, there are others on this forum who have heard it, so they can give their impression on it. It should have about 70 hours on it too. But at the end of the day its still a pure SS with a digital filter. I have an old CD63Se Marantz with tons of mods in it, and it was really on contest between the two with the CD-7 winning hands down.

Hi Everyone
My first post here, so lets see if I can get this right
This business/hobby is amazing in that many people listen to a particular setup and each may come out with a differnt impression, but then again, thats why there are so many companies, so many philosophies and in some way this is what makes it fun
Now for my thoughts on a few of the posts/quetsions -

Dont buy the MHZS CDP from Cattylink since the authenticity can be guarunteed only by Pacific valve. I have seen photos of MHZS players bought elsewhere and a lot of fake/cheap parts inside
Also MHZS claims of a different DAC chip isnt true so dont fall for that nonsense. Its also spec'd badly by the company but again this has been confirmed by independent reports to not be the case (I believe its spec'd with a 5 db variation across the spectrum)
having said that, I have had good experience dealing with Cattylink myself for other products in the past, definitely worth it although their shipping costs are high, but the flip side is that they offer a few days burn in to check that the product isnt defective.
p.s. I am not associated with Pacific valve in any way, just thought I would pass on what I have learnt.

For those who are looking at a good transport option, the MHZS is an excellent one for the price and there are reviews which have compared this with top of the line stuff.
I will write more about the MHZS in another post but the describing factor for me on this player is that it does most things right, but does sacrifice on the bottom end. I am sure that the fact that it uses a tube rectifier stage contributes to this. The CD66 is a better trade off in comparision and also cheaper and again a great transport. In fact, this is a great player mods. I am sure some of the modders on this forum could take it to the next step. Siva, if you are reading this, we might meet some day, we have common friends but have never had the oppurtunity to meet Maybe you can have a go at my CDP

With regards to the Odyssey Stratos - In my years playing around with audio equipment I have very rarely come across as good a value as the Odyssey, yes there are others in this price range, but very few from what I have seen. The Statos itself as Bhagwan66 mentioned is a direct descendent of the Kraft amplifier from Rolf Gemin of SL. Klaus B worked with SL before he moved to the US and took a licensing arrangement with SL to launch Odyssey in the US. The Stratos mono extreme (glass ceiling version) is about the closest that one can get to the KRAFT amplifiers. No its not identical by any means, keeping in mind that the price differential is huge.
Klaus doesnt believe in magazine reviews too much unfortunately which makes it inaccessible to the larger public, but then again thats what keeps the cost low. Stratos comes in many versions, the Extreme stereo version of the Stratos is the top of the line within the stereo versions (not counting monoblocks). Last I know, there are over 3000+ extremes in circulation, the vast majority sold through word of mouth, by any stretch this is a huge number. The Stratos and dare I say all Odyssey products are very notorious for needing burn-in to the point that I tell my customers to turn it on and break it in for at least 200 hrs and if the extreme version, at least 300 hrs. This is all well documented in the AC forums. In this time period the bass especially comes and goes and is not just gradually improving like a lot of other SS amps. The extreme that I have has about 180 hours and is getting there... The Candela tube pre is a very nice pre, however its IMO nowhere the VFM that the Odyssey amps are. The Candela is also not a Klaus or SL design. Its still good VFM when compared to a lot of the other stuff out there.
I have had a customer recently move from 2 Bryston 7BSST monoblocks to a Stratos Extreme. But again, this is also about music preferences, not just raw power or bass. The signature sound of an Odyssey is characterized by "musicality". To use reviewer terms, its slightly on the warm side of neutral. To some extent it does sacrifice detail for musicality. The Odyssey is not at all a Clinical sounding amp, have also never seen it described this way.

When A/B'ing its well known that the higher volume setup tends to sound better (unless ofcourse there is a drastic difference between the two). Actually a 0.15 to 0.2 dB can make a difference (the steps in which the human ear can perceive sound level), needless to say we didnt have any of this yesterday, at some point (once we move to our new place) we might get one. This present room doubles up as a home theater room (primarily) and then 2-channel. Hell we noticed bass bloom too and resonance in the room since the platform we were sitting on was a bit hollow (sand filled but needs tightening). Bhagwan66 is also right that going to the back of the room near the wall enhances bass.
In general, the center of the room is the worst place for bass, it increases in either wall of the room. What we did try after they had left yesterday was bringing the speakers way forward and aiming at listening position on the back wall, while impractical for most listening sessions, this worked like a charm.

Yesterday in the audtion, we didnt have the McCormak with us, as ReignofChaos mentioned, we had it the previous time when only he was there, so Abhi did not have a chance to hear it. We did not do any level matching on the setups with the Odyssey and the McCormack, so there would be no point in me trying to guess the differences between the two amps, but one thing that did seem to strike us both is the detail which he already mentioned in the previous post. The bass also seemed to be slightly higher in the McCormack, hard to know which is right. Also there is a huge difference in the input sensitity between the amps, this again makes a difference even if the preamp volume is kept constant. We did also try the Plinius with the Candela Pre and this did not work at all...Abhi mentioned that he had never used the Plinius only as a power amp, so I dont know what was wrong there.
The Usher CDP CD-7 is a new design and a very new launch, in fact Usher isnt known for their electronics. Having said that, the CD-7 for the money surprised me quite a bit, there are others on this forum who have heard it, so they can give their impression on it. It should have about 70 hours on it too. But at the end of the day its still a pure SS with a digital filter. I have an old CD63Se Marantz with tons of mods in it, and it was really on contest between the two with the CD-7 winning hands down.
I will try to play with the setup a bit more over the weekend and once I have it tuned, I will post my impressions here and folks can come down for a listen

ok, I have rambled on enough

cheers
Sridhar

*** I have not met Sridhar, nor is this post to justify any other product. I'm sharing my experience as a consumer ***

In general, do be careful buying products from China - directly. They are quite unreliable.

I've bought 2 quads of 845 and 2 pairs of 300B (thats more than $1700 in value) from china...and all were waste. I tried buying volt and am-meters for my amp...they do not work properly either. Never will i buy anything direct from China (only exception being diyhifisupply)

I bought the same made-in-china 845 from sophia-electric (US)..and it works wonderfully !!

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

Hi SQ was a bit low fi on hifi and out of country for sometime. Out of sight out of mind. Now hopefully back here to see what our good ol pals are doin. Anyway SQ hows your Odyssey stratos doing?

Any additions to the setup ? You must have picked up something in your travels.

The stratos is doing just fine. Done some 350 hours now. One of the most musical SS amplifiers I have ever heard in my setup costing under a lakh.
Not even a hint of harshness once warmed up. I am actually hearing some rough Jazz performers which I used to avoid when I had my Nad
Good thing is that there is no loss of detail while maintaining total lack of harshness.
This is what I was looking for when hunting for an amp at this price point. Most amps below a lakh either roll off the highs and promote a slight mid bass thump
to make the sound feel very “lush” which is mistaken for “musical” and “smooth” or they are harsh at the edges with lot of detail.
None of such nonsense here…… Just music .

abhi.pani schrieb:

Yesterday me and reignofchaos visited ARN to listen to the Ushers. We were there for around 3 hours. The guy there Mr.Sridhar is a nice chap....very patient and knowledgeable as well. I had taken my CDP and Amp. They already had 2 CDPs for demo the MHZS and Usher. They also had the Odyessey Pre-power as the main amplification unit for the Usher speakers. I went there with a lot of excitement but unfortunately there was a significant issue with the room which made the audition somewhat dicey. There was a bass suckout right at the sweet spot and since the room was of average size (16 X 13) there was very little room to play around with placement. Still we tried our best to hear whatever was possible . The speakers look fantastic. They are built well. Overall it definitely looks like a speaker double the price . As for sound...the details were excellent especially the highs. I wouldnt comment a lot on the speaker at this point because of 2 reasons: 1. Due to the room there was a significant lack of bass so it doesnt give me the complete idea of what the speaker can do. 2. Speaker had done only about 60-70 hours so it would change further. I also had the opportunity of hearing the Odessyey Pre-Power combo. The power amp looked mean and big. It did have good drive as well. But tonally... ...They were average to my ears. I wouldnt even compare it to the Plinius in that regard. Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing. I wouldnt attribute this to the pre-amp as it is supposed to be a good pre-amp...so most probably the power amp was lacking there. But yes for that kind of money you have to choose between power and resolution...may be . To me McCormack sounds much better.

Try telling this to numerous AC members who have compared or upgraded from numerous amps like B&K, Sonic frontiers, nelson pass, classe, Conrad Johnson, accuphase, muse, vtl, krell, bryston, parasound, ..just to name a few.

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=45570.0

Opinions are good but they are all subjective and very much influenced by the environment where it is done, setup and of course the reviewer’s expectations and assumptions.

Power over resolution? Funny to hear someone say odyssey is about power and not resolution. Resolution and harmonic richness is the main reason why people all over the world buy odyssey. It is the main reason why someone upgraded from a 7bsst monoblocks to odyssey in Bangalore. It is the main reason why odyssey extreme monoblocks are lovingly called as “krell killers” in the US.
Couple of months back we had conducted an A/B between a much regarded Threshold class A power amp and the odyssey plus version in Bangalore. It was the Resolution and harmonic richness which stood out. I can go on and on…...But you get the idea……

Can you please elaborate on the “fundamental” and “harmonics” thing ? Please educate me.

Fundamentals and harmonics:
In most musical instruments, the tone-generating component (a string or resonant column of air) vibrates at many frequencies simultaneously: a fundamental frequency that is usually perceived as the pitch of the note, and harmonics or overtones that are multiples of the fundamental frequency and whose wavelengths therefore divide the tone-generating region into simple fractional segments (1/2, 1/3, 1/4, etc.). The fundamental note and its harmonics sound together, and the amplitude relationships among them strongly affect the perceived tone or timbre of the instrument.

The fundamentals and overtones (harmonics) are produced together. Are you saying that you can hear overtones (harmonics) in the plinius better and it is absent in the odyssey ?

I am open to do an level matched A/B with your plinius on this particular phenomenon. Can you demonstrate this phenomenon to me? I shall bring some of my audiophile friends also. What say ?

square_wave schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: Yesterday me and reignofchaos visited ARN to listen to the Ushers. We were there for around 3 hours. The guy there Mr.Sridhar is a nice chap....very patient and knowledgeable as well. I had taken my CDP and Amp. They already had 2 CDPs for demo the MHZS and Usher. They also had the Odyessey Pre-power as the main amplification unit for the Usher speakers. I went there with a lot of excitement but unfortunately there was a significant issue with the room which made the audition somewhat dicey. There was a bass suckout right at the sweet spot and since the room was of average size (16 X 13) there was very little room to play around with placement. Still we tried our best to hear whatever was possible . The speakers look fantastic. They are built well. Overall it definitely looks like a speaker double the price . As for sound...the details were excellent especially the highs. I wouldnt comment a lot on the speaker at this point because of 2 reasons: 1. Due to the room there was a significant lack of bass so it doesnt give me the complete idea of what the speaker can do. 2. Speaker had done only about 60-70 hours so it would change further. I also had the opportunity of hearing the Odessyey Pre-Power combo. The power amp looked mean and big. It did have good drive as well. But tonally... ...They were average to my ears. I wouldnt even compare it to the Plinius in that regard. Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing. I wouldnt attribute this to the pre-amp as it is supposed to be a good pre-amp...so most probably the power amp was lacking there. But yes for that kind of money you have to choose between power and resolution...may be . To me McCormack sounds much better. Try telling this to numerous AC members who have compared or upgraded from numerous amps like B&K, Sonic frontiers, nelson pass, classe, Conrad Johnson, accuphase, muse, vtl, krell, bryston, parasound, ..just to name a few. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=45570.0 Opinions are good but they are all subjective and very much influenced by the environment where it is done, setup and of course the reviewer’s expectations and assumptions. Power over resolution? Funny to hear someone say odyssey is about power and not resolution. Resolution and harmonic richness is the main reason why people all over the world buy odyssey. It is the main reason why someone upgraded from a 7bsst monoblocks to odyssey in Bangalore. It is the main reason why odyssey extreme monoblocks are lovingly called as “krell killers” in the US. Couple of months back we had conducted an A/B between a much regarded Threshold class A power amp and the odyssey plus version in Bangalore. It was the Resolution and harmonic richness which stood out. I can go on and on…...But you get the idea…… Can you please elaborate on the “fundamental” and “harmonics” thing ? Please educate me. I am open to do an level matched A/B with your plinius on this particular phenomenon. Can you demonstrate this phenomenon to me? I shall bring some of my audiophile friends also. What say ?

You know what...you are acting sick.
I had no intentions whatsoever to offend you or any other Odyssey owner. Moreover I didnt take my equipments that day to compare it with any other equipment but just to hear the Ushers with my own equipments and judge it. It was just by a matter of fact that we ended up swapping equipments multiple times (just to verify the bass suck-out and if a change in amp could do anything) that I noticed the significant difference between the two amps and found it worth mentioning. Yes, it is very much true that once we switched from Odyssey to Plinius we didnt feel like going back (if we were not experimenting with the Room Acoustics). I wrote exactly what I felt with no exaggeration or deletion.

I agree that everyone has some ego associated with his/her equipments in this hobby but such posts like yours demonstrates that you are yet to learn on how to respect audio and this hobby. Calling upon equipments to challenge each other as if they were cocks to fight on the street is the last thing I expect from a Audiophile but it seems like a habit to you. You see...I dont entertain people like you to even look at my system...you are dreaming of comparing . Go and sit on your Krell-Killer/Bryston-Hunter and read a few things about what audiophiles are all about...and let us know tomorrow morning what you have learnt (anyway you wanted me to educate you right ??).

abhi.pani schrieb:

square_wave schrieb: abhi.pani schrieb: Yesterday me and reignofchaos visited ARN to listen to the Ushers. We were there for around 3 hours. The guy there Mr.Sridhar is a nice chap....very patient and knowledgeable as well. I had taken my CDP and Amp. They already had 2 CDPs for demo the MHZS and Usher. They also had the Odyessey Pre-power as the main amplification unit for the Usher speakers. I went there with a lot of excitement but unfortunately there was a significant issue with the room which made the audition somewhat dicey. There was a bass suckout right at the sweet spot and since the room was of average size (16 X 13) there was very little room to play around with placement. Still we tried our best to hear whatever was possible . The speakers look fantastic. They are built well. Overall it definitely looks like a speaker double the price . As for sound...the details were excellent especially the highs. I wouldnt comment a lot on the speaker at this point because of 2 reasons: 1. Due to the room there was a significant lack of bass so it doesnt give me the complete idea of what the speaker can do. 2. Speaker had done only about 60-70 hours so it would change further. I also had the opportunity of hearing the Odessyey Pre-Power combo. The power amp looked mean and big. It did have good drive as well. But tonally... ...They were average to my ears. I wouldnt even compare it to the Plinius in that regard. Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing. I wouldnt attribute this to the pre-amp as it is supposed to be a good pre-amp...so most probably the power amp was lacking there. But yes for that kind of money you have to choose between power and resolution...may be . To me McCormack sounds much better. Try telling this to numerous AC members who have compared or upgraded from numerous amps like B&K, Sonic frontiers, nelson pass, classe, Conrad Johnson, accuphase, muse, vtl, krell, bryston, parasound, ..just to name a few. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=45570.0 Opinions are good but they are all subjective and very much influenced by the environment where it is done, setup and of course the reviewer’s expectations and assumptions. Power over resolution? Funny to hear someone say odyssey is about power and not resolution. Resolution and harmonic richness is the main reason why people all over the world buy odyssey. It is the main reason why someone upgraded from a 7bsst monoblocks to odyssey in Bangalore. It is the main reason why odyssey extreme monoblocks are lovingly called as “krell killers” in the US. Couple of months back we had conducted an A/B between a much regarded Threshold class A power amp and the odyssey plus version in Bangalore. It was the Resolution and harmonic richness which stood out. I can go on and on…...But you get the idea…… Can you please elaborate on the “fundamental” and “harmonics” thing ? Please educate me. I am open to do an level matched A/B with your plinius on this particular phenomenon. Can you demonstrate this phenomenon to me? I shall bring some of my audiophile friends also. What say ? You know what...you are acting sick. I had no intentions whatsoever to offend you or any other Odyssey owner. Moreover I didnt take my equipments that day to compare it with any other equipment but just to hear the Ushers with my own equipments and judge it. It was just by a matter of fact that we ended up swapping equipments multiple times (just to verify the bass suck-out and if a change in amp could do anything) that I noticed the significant difference between the two amps and found it worth mentioning. Yes, it is very much true that once we switched from Odyssey to Plinius we didnt feel like going back (if we were not experimenting with the Room Acoustics). I wrote exactly what I felt with no exaggeration or deletion. I agree that everyone has some ego associated with his/her equipments in this hobby but such posts like yours demonstrates that you are yet to learn on how to respect audio and this hobby. Calling upon equipments to challenge each other as if they were cocks to fight on the street is the last thing I expect from a Audiophile but it seems like a habit to you. You see...I dont entertain people like you to even look at my system...you are dreaming of comparingimages/smilies/insane.gif . Go and sit on your Krell-Killer/Bryston-Hunter and read a few things about what audiophiles are all about...and let us know tomorrow morning what you have learnt (anyway you wanted me to educate you right ??).

You are deviating from the subject here.
I have absolutely no intention or interest in learning anything about audio reproduction from you nor have I any interest in your system or anything you own.

You mentioned specifically that fundamentals and harmonics regarding a product I own. I am just curious to what you mean. You mentioned “Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing”
This is an audio forum and I own the product and I have infinitely more experience with the product and “harmonics” is very important to me. It is exactly one of the reasons for buying the product.
If you cannot validate such lofty remarks about something, please refrain from using such colorful words on the forum. It will mislead people.

Wow it's getting hot in here!

I am expecting my Ushers by end of this month. I am going to pair it with my Odyssey Stratos and Candela.

I started my audiophile journey with a Denon AV receiver then moved up to the Stratos then added the Candela and Odeon Lite last year.

I have seen a signficant improvement in sound with every upgrade over the last 3 years.

I am now replacing my Monitor Audio RS6 with the Ushers which will be shipped within the next couple of weeks.

The next logical step is to upgrade the room. I have decided to move my audio setup from my 20 By 13 bedroom to a dedicated listening room which is 9 by 13. I read Wes Phillips review of the Usher BE-718 on Stereophile which mentioned that the speakers sounded better in his 9 by 15 room as compared to his much larger listening room. I wrote to Wes asking for advice about placing the Ushers in my 9 by 13 room and here is what he wrote:

Your smaller room has very similar dimensions to my smaller listening room, so I would think it will be quite satisfactory. My tendency would to place the Ushers along the short wall about 3-36" from it and about 18" from the side walls -- I'd then sit about 8" in front of them. I wouldn't expect you to need to toe them in. The two biggest considerations for maximizing the sound in such a room, IMO, would be to add bass traps in the corners and to prevent first-reflections on the side walls. In my downstairs room, I have used RealTraps, which work very well and are reasonably priced. I'm sure there must be something similar available in Mumbai. The trick is to try to "tune" the room, not over-damp it, as I discovered when I tried to treat the room with wall-hangings and home-brew foam panels.

I want to make sure I get the acoustics of the room rigt, I have already read up plenty on room acoustics on the net and all the threads on this forum. I need some practical advice with a lot of construction details for making my room as acoustically sound as possible. Oh yes, can't really spend too much money.

Would it help to post some pics of my room?

Thanks for staying awake this far into my post. I am going to need all the help I can get.

And once I have my room ready with my shiny new speakers - everyone is invited!

You are deviating from the subject here.

That is because the subject you are talking about is very trivial to me compared to the subject I am talking about.

I have absolutely no intention or interest in learning anything about audio reproduction from you nor have I any interest in your system or anything you own.

Then you shouldnt have asked for it.. .

You mentioned specifically that fundamentals and harmonics regarding a product I own. I am just curious to what you mean. You mentioned “Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing” This is an audio forum and I own the product and I have infinitely more experience with the product and “harmonics” is very important to me. It is exactly one of the reasons for buying the product. If you cannot validate such lofty remarks about something, please refrain from using such colorful words on the forum. It will mislead people.

I didnt want to post any further on this topic but you dint seem to get anything from my previous post. Let me put it in a simpler way:

1. I have always welcomed people to listen to my setup and make comparisons. I myself do it a lot of times visiting other audiophiles along with my own equipments. But then I request for an invite to even have a look at their system..doesnt matter how high-end or low-end their system might be. Only when there is a mutual agreement for an invite that we meet and talk, listen, compare, discuss (both appreciation and criticism) and all of this with mutual respect for each other's equipments. After all its audio!!! It holds true for even the best of my friends in this community. Let me tell you, I dont deviate from this and expect the same from fellow audiophiles as well.
Screaming aloud to challenge each other is something I expect from cheap Chinese Martial Art Movies. Your post was not very different. Sorry, such an attitude sucks IMO.

2. Why should I mislead people on this forum ?? Are they my enemies ? I wrote exactly what I heard comparing the two products at that point of time in that room with the same set of speakers and cables. I dont have to validate it to anyone. If anyone else is curious about such a difference he needs to send me a PM and request for a listen. It then proceeds from there according to Mutual convenience. I would happily welcome them. It will never happen the way you have suggested.

Every product that we have criticized on this forum has had a owner. Be it Krell, Bryston, Nad or a Sonodyne. That doesnt mean he is justified with such an attitude.

Any additions to the setup ? You must have picked up something in your travels.

Hmm not exactly SQ... I have put audio on last prioity now for time being.

Good thing is that there is no loss of detail while maintaining total lack of harshness.

Task accomplished..

Most amps below a lakh either roll off the highs and promote a slight mid bass thump

Strange i have also heard this in some amps above lakh..

Abhijit Wrote:

I also had the opportunity of hearing the Odessyey Pre-Power combo. The power amp looked mean and big. It did have good drive as well. But tonally... ...They were average to my ears. I wouldnt even compare it to the Plinius in that regard. Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing. I wouldnt attribute this to the pre-amp as it is supposed to be a good pre-amp...so most probably the power amp was lacking there. But yes for that kind of money you have to choose between power and resolution...may be . To me McCormack sounds much better.

He has mentioned what he experienced & his subjective opinion & nothing wrong in that. As he made it clear, his clear intension was to audition Ushers. If rqrd, debating on SQ of Plini & Odys could've been continued decently, instead of harsh mails & challenges etc. Both are good amps but not ultra-highend to 've comparisons n fights. Audioholoic/Audiophile is one community why to 've communal clashes

ABHi PANI wrote :

You know what...you are acting sick.

Sorry, such an attitude sucks IMO.

Heel

I am open to do an level matched A/B with your plinius on this particular phenomenon. Can you demonstrate this phenomenon to me? I shall bring some of my audiophile friends also. What say ?

Abhi why not accept this???. This had made me curious

SUB_BOSS schrieb:

I am open to do an level matched A/B with your plinius on this particular phenomenon. Can you demonstrate this phenomenon to me? I shall bring some of my audiophile friends also. What say ? Abhi why not accept this???. This had made me curious

Accept what ??
I have made myself very clear on how I treat audio.
You are curious ?? Come over to my place (may be even tonight) lets go together to ARN and listen to the two amps and discuss on it later. I am alwyas open to it when there is a right motive and spirit attached to it.

I am alwyas open to it when there is a right motive and spirit attached to it.

I'm also open to such provided there is spirit attached to it..

If rqrd, debating on SQ of Plini & Odys could've been continued decently, instead of harsh mails & challenges etc

Now I would prefer a complete report on this.. Abhi whats your say on a comparo between Plin and Ody? On which would you bet your moneies

by the way abhi, how is your blue note stibbert doing? am curious to have some of your impressions on the sound.

regards

ps: one listen to a SET and you wont even bother doing any sort of comparison ok that was just to cool the waters not stir up a new debate!

ps: one listen to a SET and you wont even bother doing any sort of comparison

World over all 'SET'ists have same opinion, no worries I won't bother to contradict this...

Abhi whats your say on a comparo between Plin and Ody?

Abhi's is an integrated Amp & SW's is Pre/Pwr combo. It may not be a right comparison. But still you can check on SQ.

stevieboy schrieb:

by the way abhi, how is your blue note stibbert doing? am curious to have some of your impressions on the sound. regards ps: one listen to a SET and you wont even bother doing any sort of comparison ok that was just to cool the waters not stir up a new debate!

Bluenote is one thing that has left me nervous...Its because they extract so much info from a CD that you cant imagine living with a ordinary source henceforth. I will bring it over sometimes to your place.

As for SET....I have seriously thought about it a couple of times but my likeness to Dynes leaves me with no choice but to forget SET .

powersupply schrieb:

Abhi whats your say on a comparo between Plin and Ody? Abhi's is an integrated Amp & SW's is Pre/Pwr combo. It may not be a right comparison. But still you can check on SQ.

Doesnt matter...as long as they are similarly priced equipments with similar specs.

Doesnt matter...as long as they are similarly priced equipments with similar specs

That's the spirit " "

BTW, in some models Odyssey use 2,40,000mf capacitance for 180W rms rating & about 3,60,000mf for 200watts rms rating. I've seen many other brand amps using only 50-60,000mf capacitance for 200W rms output. How's this? Which one is more meaningful? Is that one can get true 200W with mere 50-60k cap or 240k - 360k cap is a waste & a gimmick?

abhi.pani schrieb:

stevieboy schrieb: by the way abhi, how is your blue note stibbert doing? am curious to have some of your impressions on the sound. regards ps: one listen to a SET and you wont even bother doing any sort of comparison ok that was just to cool the waters not stir up a new debate! Bluenote is one thing that has left me nervous...Its because they extract so much info from a CD that you cant imagine living with a ordinary source henceforth. I will bring it over sometimes to your place. As for SET....I have seriously thought about it a couple of times but my likeness to Dynes leaves me with no choice but to forget SET .

Then wait for the 845 based SET-shld have enuff oomph to drive your Dynes.

Kamal schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: stevieboy schrieb: by the way abhi, how is your blue note stibbert doing? am curious to have some of your impressions on the sound. regards ps: one listen to a SET and you wont even bother doing any sort of comparison ok that was just to cool the waters not stir up a new debate! Bluenote is one thing that has left me nervous...Its because they extract so much info from a CD that you cant imagine living with a ordinary source henceforth. I will bring it over sometimes to your place. As for SET....I have seriously thought about it a couple of times but my likeness to Dynes leaves me with no choice but to forget SET . Then wait for the 845 based SET-shld have enuff oomph to drive your Dynes.

amen...

powersupply schrieb:

Doesnt matter...as long as they are similarly priced equipments with similar specs That's the spirit " " BTW, in some models Odyssey use 2,40,000mf capacitance for 180W rms rating & about 3,60,000mf for 200watts rms rating. I've seen many other brand amps using only 50-60,000mf capacitance for 200W rms output. How's this? Which one is more meaningful? Is that one can get true 200W with mere 50-60k cap or 240k - 360k cap is a waste & a gimmick? :(

You can't really judge the quality of an amp based upon the amount of capacitance in it. Sure higher is obviously better but there's lot more involved and based upon the amplifier topology, one with a smaller capacitance bank can outperform one with a larger bank.

The Odyssey no doubt is damn good value for money.

abhi.pani schrieb:

You are deviating from the subject here. That is because the subject you are talking about is very trivial to me compared to the subject I am talking about. I have absolutely no intention or interest in learning anything about audio reproduction from you nor have I any interest in your system or anything you own. Then you shouldnt have asked for it.. . You mentioned specifically that fundamentals and harmonics regarding a product I own. I am just curious to what you mean. You mentioned “Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing” This is an audio forum and I own the product and I have infinitely more experience with the product and “harmonics” is very important to me. It is exactly one of the reasons for buying the product. If you cannot validate such lofty remarks about something, please refrain from using such colorful words on the forum. It will mislead people. I didnt want to post any further on this topic but you dint seem to get anything from my previous post. Let me put it in a simpler way: 1. I have always welcomed people to listen to my setup and make comparisons. I myself do it a lot of times visiting other audiophiles along with my own equipments. But then I request for an invite to even have a look at their system..doesnt matter how high-end or low-end their system might be. Only when there is a mutual agreement for an invite that we meet and talk, listen, compare, discuss (both appreciation and criticism) and all of this with mutual respect for each other's equipments. After all its audio!!! It holds true for even the best of my friends in this community. Let me tell you, I dont deviate from this and expect the same from fellow audiophiles as well. Screaming aloud to challenge each other is something I expect from cheap Chinese Martial Art Movies. Your post was not very different. Sorry, such an attitude sucks IMO. 2. Why should I mislead people on this forum ?? Are they my enemies ? I wrote exactly what I heard comparing the two products at that point of time in that room with the same set of speakers and cables. I dont have to validate it to anyone. If anyone else is curious about such a difference he needs to send me a PM and request for a listen. It then proceeds from there according to Mutual convenience. I would happily welcome them. It will never happen the way you have suggested. Every product that we have criticized on this forum has had a owner. Be it Krell, Bryston, Nad or a Sonodyne. That doesnt mean he is justified with such an attitude.

You still seem to be deviating from the subject at hand. I have no interest in anything you keep on rambling about except for something you said in your original post.

I quote here:
“Fundamentals were there but the harmonics were all missing “

All other things mentioned by you in your review are clearly subjective opinions based on your assumptions and your experience in a less than ideal setup. I can perfectly understand that and such opinions are always taken with a pinch of salt by anyone with even slightest idea of audio reproduction and the variables involved in it.

I am just interested in that singular statement.
What do you mean here?
I am just asking you to validate what you claim in whatever way you like. Nothing else. If you cannot validate, please refrain for making such colorful words on the forum lest it mislead people.

I am just asking you to validate what you claim in whatever way you like. Nothing else.

You are not supposed to ask me...you are supposed to request me. You want a favour from me and that should be requested rightly. Everyone knows why you are so interested with this validation.

I am just asking you to validate what you claim in whatever way you like. Nothing else.

Validate.....hmmmm....validate to whom ? Thats again my call, whom I would want to entertain. When I audition any gear or compare gears, its only with a motive to learn more. If one has a similar motive, he is very well welcome to my place.
Till now I have not received a single request for the same .

I have no interest in anything you keep on rambling about except for something you said in your original post.

Do you really think I am bothered about your interest.. ?

abhi.pani schrieb:

I am just asking you to validate what you claim in whatever way you like. Nothing else. You are not supposed to ask me...you are supposed to request me. You want a favour from me and that should be requested rightly. Everyone knows why you are so interested with this validation. I am just asking you to validate what you claim in whatever way you like. Nothing else. Validate.....hmmmm....validate to whom ? Thats again my call, whom I would want to entertain. When I audition any gear or compare gears, its only with a motive to learn more. If one has a similar motive, he is very well welcome to my place. Till now I have not received a single request for the sameimages/smilies/insane.gif . I have no interest in anything you keep on rambling about except for something you said in your original post. Do you really think I am bothered about your interest.. ?

You are still not getting it.

If I want to do some check against Plinius amplifiers, I have access to power amps from plinius which are some three steps above the 8200mk2. I am very accustomed to their sound. In fact I have had an DIY ss amp which for me sounds better than the plinius power amp in my house for a week. If you think I have not compared and do not know the differences between all these amplifiers, you are very much mistaken.

I am just interested about the statement that you made. Looks like you cannot take up the challenge to validate it. Sorry dude.

You should perhaps meet Mr Rolf Germein who designed the stratos. You could give him some lessons on designing amps which can reproduce the harmonics along with the fundamentals.

square_wave schrieb:

abhi.pani schrieb: I am just asking you to validate what you claim in whatever way you like. Nothing else. You are not supposed to ask me...you are supposed to request me. You want a favour from me and that should be requested rightly. Everyone knows why you are so interested with this validation. I am just asking you to validate what you claim in whatever way you like. Nothing else. Validate.....hmmmm....validate to whom ? Thats again my call, whom I would want to entertain. When I audition any gear or compare gears, its only with a motive to learn more. If one has a similar motive, he is very well welcome to my place. Till now I have not received a single request for the sameimages/smilies/insane.gif . I have no interest in anything you keep on rambling about except for something you said in your original post. Do you really think I am bothered about your interest.. ? You are still not getting it. If I want to do some check against Plinius amplifiers, I have access to power amps from plinius which are some three steps above the 8200mk2. I am very accustomed to their sound. In fact I have had an DIY ss amp which for me sounds better than the plinius power amp in my house for a week. If you think I have not compared and do not know the differences between all these amplifiers, you are very much mistaken. I am just interested about the statement that you made. Looks like you cannot take up the challenge to validate it. Sorry dude. You should perhaps meet Mr Rolf Germein who designed the stratos. You could give him some lessons on designing amps which can reproduce the harmonics along with the fundamentals.

Two things:
1. You forgot to request!!
2. It seems like whenever you buy a gear, its designer becomes your Godfather...

Looks like you cannot take up the challenge to validate it. Sorry dude.

As for this, ask your new Godfather to talk to me...I may consider. Your el cheapo style is not gonna get you anything...not even a look at my Plinius .


P.S Everyone else is welcome to my place for a listen and ofcourse Validate .

ROTFL!!!!

Square wave, you sure are a scream! You have spent your life on this forum throwing about the most absurd comments / recommendations without any substantiation whatsoever and when challenged, run around in circles evading the issue, ending up with some lame reference to some cousin’s equipment...or some vague ‘Audiophile’ friends’ experience. And now YOU are asking for validation!

I am sure Abhi is right when he says you must be sick! Now that you have finally procured one decent recognized product you seem to have lost it completely...

Come on, stop being juvenile and grow up. If you call yourself an audiophile you should be knowing that different people have different tastes when it comes to audio. Just because you like Odyssey and someone else likes Plinius does not mean you are right and he is wrong. What talk of challenge? You like the Stratos, fine, it is yet another decent sounding value for money budget amp, but hardly the Holy Grail...

BTW did RG call you over to help him with the 'voicing' of his amps? Looks like he is the current flavour of the month and among the highly select few 'who know what they are doing' while Plinius, Krell, B&K, CJ, Bryston et all flounder about bass ackwards in absolute ignorance...

Heh you folks should stop fighting like kids. Some folks like Sauvignon while others like Chardonnay and some like me completely hate whites. Doesn't make either one bad .

reignofchaos schrieb:

Heh you folks should stop fighting like kids. Some folks like Sauvignon while others like Chardonnay and some like me completely hate whites. Doesn't make either one bad.

My sentiments exactly...

Learn to respect others' likes/dislikes without resorting to dumbass putdowns and challenges

Guys, I am sorry but I have to wear my moderators hat here...

Pls carry out your "dishum dishum" match in your own back yards....er mailboxes.

We don't want to get personal here. Pls let's cool off or take the argument elsewhere.

Manek

On a different note....

Anyone heard the jamo c803 bookshelves or the floorstanders ? How does the decoupled tweeter sound? Am told it casts a very large stage.

Manek

Manek schrieb:

On a different note.... Anyone heard the jamo c803 bookshelves or the floorstanders ? How does the decoupled tweeter sound? Am told it casts a very large stage. Manek

Have heard the C807 though in suboptimal conditions with poor electronics (read in the Cinebels showroom). Wasn't an interesting listen at all. I could not judge the soundstage as there was none cos of placement. Even my old E855 at home sounded better.

The price being asked by Cinebels for them really shocked me. Seemingly they are 130k per pair and at that price, there are a hundred other better choices. They sell for 1600$ a pair abroad so the price is ridiculous.

Indian_Duke schrieb:

ROTFL!!!! Square wave, you sure are a scream! You have spent your life on this forum throwing about the most absurd comments / recommendations without any substantiation whatsoever and when challenged, run around in circles evading the issue, ending up with some lame reference to some cousin’s equipment...or some vague ‘Audiophile’ friends’ experience. And now YOU are asking for validation! I am sure Abhi is right when he says you must be sick! Now that you have finally procured one decent recognized product you seem to have lost it completely... Come on, stop being juvenile and grow up. If you call yourself an audiophile you should be knowing that different people have different tastes when it comes to audio. Just because you like Odyssey and someone else likes Plinius does not mean you are right and he is wrong. What talk of challenge? You like the Stratos, fine, it is yet another decent sounding value for money budget amp, but hardly the Holy Grail... BTW did RG call you over to help him with the 'voicing' of his amps? Looks like he is the current flavour of the month and among the highly select few 'who know what they are doing' while Plinius, Krell, B&K, CJ, Bryston et all flounder about bass ackwards in absolute ignorance...

I have been watching this thread for a while. I have never heard an amp which can produce only fundamentals and not harmonics. Saying something like that is totally stupid. Anyone saying that needs to have his head examined or do some study on sound reproduction/amplification.

Nowhere in this thread has Square mentioned that odyssey stratos is the holy grail of amplification. So where did you get this idea from ? I think what caught his goat was that particular statement.

When you say the harmonics produced by one amplifier is more to my liking than the one produced by another one, it is understood. This happens in audio all the while. Like reinofchaos mentioned, one’s wine may be another’s poison. I personally like harmonics produced by tube amps than my Belles hot rod amplifier. But cannot buy and use one for various reasons.

By the way Abhi, Can you demonstrate in a level matched comparison, that the plinius 8200 can produce harmonics but the stratos cannot? Of course you will have to use the power amplifier section of your amp with another preamp of your choice. The same preamp can be used for the stratos also. What say ?

Btw: Square, I came across another amp which is quite nice. It beats my hot rod belles.
The Ampzilla. Enjoy.
http://www.ampzilla2000.com/index.html#Ampzilla

Chaos...

Thanks for the tip....I also did like the jamo 855 of yours. Quite a nice speaker and made well.

Hojo, my brother also has a belles amp. He gotit in exchange for his aragon.he seems to love that amp. Never heard it, how would you describe your amp ?

Manek

Manek schrieb:

Chaos... Thanks for the tip....I also did like the jamo 855 of yours. Quite a nice speaker and made well. Hojo, my brother also has a belles amp. He gotit in exchange for his aragon.he seems to love that amp. Never heard it, how would you describe your amp ? Manek

E855 was mine till yesterday :). It found a new home now and is singing on Parasound+Rotel electronics. It was a good speaker.

Yes chaos, I read your post.I wish the new owner well.

What I liked about them was the fact that they were slim, good woodwork. All rounder speaker. Another one was the d-800 series with the seas drivers. The bookshelf was very good but very expensive in india and so was the floorstanding version.

Manek

Yup it did most things right for the price, maybe other than a slightly colored midrange. It didn't have any of the flaws that are typical of entry level floorstanders such as a mid bass hump or an over emphasised top end.

I'd have loved to keep them with me but space is at a premium and I have a pair of Jamo E700 bookshelf speakers to be paired with my computer and a Class-T amp coming down with a friend that I picked up for an absolute song (~120$ for speakers, ~70$ for amp both brand new).

hurricane_hojo schrieb:

Indian_Duke schrieb: ROTFL!!!! I have been watching this thread for a while. I have never heard an amp which can produce only fundamentals and not harmonics. Saying something like that is totally stupid. Anyone saying that needs to have his head examined or do some study on sound reproduction/amplification. Nowhere in this thread has Square mentioned that odyssey stratos is the holy grail of amplification. So where did you get this idea from ? I think what caught his goat was that particular statement. When you say the harmonics produced by one amplifier is more to my liking than the one produced by another one, it is understood. This happens in audio all the while. Like reinofchaos mentioned, one’s wine may be another’s poison. I personally like harmonics produced by tube amps than my Belles hot rod amplifier. But cannot buy and use one for various reasons. By the way Abhi, Can you demonstrate in a level matched comparison, that the plinius 8200 can produce harmonics but the stratos cannot? Of course you will have to use the power amplifier section of your amp with another preamp of your choice. The same preamp can be used for the stratos also. What say ? Btw: Square, I came across another amp which is quite nice. It beats my hot rod belles. The Ampzilla. Enjoy. http://www.ampzilla2000.com/index.html#Ampzilla

Indeed, you have been watching this thread for a while Mr. Hurricane Hojo, or should we simply say Squarewave? Caught you right and proper, didn’t I?


I have been watching the users list after posting my message. I saw you logging in as Square Wave for a few minutes, just enough to read my message, and then logging off with the speed of a jack rabbit. Then, in the space of time one would have taken to frame this reply of yours, you logged in as Hurricane Hojo to shoot off the reply. But you did not cover your tracks too well... in your hurry to send off a reply from HH supporting you, you forgot to mask your style of writing. Your reply reads just like a continuation of SQW's posts above, right down to the harmonics/fundamentals mumbo jumbo and the renewed challenge to Abhi...

As for the Belles Hot Rod/Ampzilla twist...LOL!!!!!

Dude, you really need to get a lot sharper. This is one feeble effort....

Manek, do you find it strange that HH/SQW logged off soon after you asked him about the Belles, without answering? Don't, it is simply because he needs time to research on the net. At this moment he must be pounding through the Audiocircle posts on Belles...

Cheers

come on guys..just cut it out

Manek, as the moderator ha already "moderated" this and you will only end up in getting this thread getting locked..which on hindsight may not be a bad idea !

the discussion on harmonics and fundmentals could actually get interesting if we do not get very "parliamentory" in our discussion

Wow ! Me….. hojo ?

I seriously do not understand why you guys deviate from the topic and get personal.

My question was purely audio related but you guys keep on talking about other things. Looks like you guys have some other agenda.

I have no further interest in this thread.

Hi arj

You are right, we will give the waring parties one more chance to settle down and get parliamentary else locking down the thread is an option I will exercise along with locking down the waring paties and the ones who add fuel to the fire.

Manek

Indian_Duke schrieb:

hurricane_hojo schrieb: Indian_Duke schrieb: ROTFL!!!! I have been watching this thread for a while. I have never heard an amp which can produce only fundamentals and not harmonics. Saying something like that is totally stupid. Anyone saying that needs to have his head examined or do some study on sound reproduction/amplification. Nowhere in this thread has Square mentioned that odyssey stratos is the holy grail of amplification. So where did you get this idea from ? I think what caught his goat was that particular statement. When you say the harmonics produced by one amplifier is more to my liking than the one produced by another one, it is understood. This happens in audio all the while. Like reinofchaos mentioned, one’s wine may be another’s poison. I personally like harmonics produced by tube amps than my Belles hot rod amplifier. But cannot buy and use one for various reasons. By the way Abhi, Can you demonstrate in a level matched comparison, that the plinius 8200 can produce harmonics but the stratos cannot? Of course you will have to use the power amplifier section of your amp with another preamp of your choice. The same preamp can be used for the stratos also. What say ? Btw: Square, I came across another amp which is quite nice. It beats my hot rod belles. The Ampzilla. Enjoy. http://www.ampzilla2000.com/index.html#Ampzilla Indeed, you have been watching this thread for a while Mr. Hurricane Hojo, or should we simply say Squarewave? Caught you right and proper, didn’t I? I have been watching the users list after posting my message. I saw you logging in as Square Wave for a few minutes, just enough to read my message, and then logging off with the speed of a jack rabbit. Then, in the space of time one would have taken to frame this reply of yours, you logged in as Hurricane Hojo to shoot off the reply. But you did not cover your tracks too well... in your hurry to send off a reply from HH supporting you, you forgot to mask your style of writing. Your reply reads just like a continuation of SQW's posts above, right down to the harmonics/fundamentals mumbo jumbo and the renewed challenge to Abhi... As for the Belles Hot Rod/Ampzilla twist...LOL!!!!! Dude, you really need to get a lot sharper. This is one feeble effort.... Manek, do you find it strange that HH/SQW logged off soon after you asked him about the Belles, without answering? Don't, it is simply because he needs time to research on the net. At this moment he must be pounding through the Audiocircle posts on Belles... Cheers

Hi Junia.
Looks like you make a grand entrance whenever your stupid disciple breaks into a sweat after making some ridiculous statement.

We all know that he is picking up another Plinius from you. No problem. At least ask him not to go around visiting dealers/houses all around town with his stupid entry level integrated and make funny and ridiculous statements which he cannot substantiate.

I am sure your disciple is earning a nice commission for promoting your wares in Bangalore. Good for both of you. But try and avoid deceitful tactics by doing this plinius propaganda on a public forum. Dealers doing new brands in Bangalore beware! He will visit you also

Leave poor Sq wave out of your propaganda. He asked a purely technical question. Answer that if you can or scram. If you want to get personal, I am all for it.

This is getting 'Curiouser and Couriouser', to borrow a quote from Alice in Wonderland.