A nice afternoon spent with Jochen Semler (Cadence)

Joschen,

Send them to Delhi for sometime. Why deprive us the pleasure ?

... and yourself an opportunity?

Delhi folks .... what say you???

you bet i'd love to come back jochen! what say guys? when do we set up a meeting? i think sunday would be perfect. timing jochen can suggest a convenient time for an exxxxxtended listening session lets do it in a couple of weeks though. have just heard em this sunday and want another listen with a good break so i can listen afresh.

good idea kamal. other than jochen's and prithvi's place i dont think there are any places here where a bunch of guys would be welcome. we'll start at jochen's, if all are willing.

Manek schrieb:

The Designer for cadence is "Austrian". Walter Schmidt. he now goes by the name of "Shanti"(Rajneesh follower) so he now has a bit of Indian culture in him as well. manek.

Shanti was ex- Decca & ex- Phillips

Designed the Video Head [on VHS players]
Worked in Decca - recording engineer - in his young days.

Used to be in India @ Pune - Osho Ashram - when Rajneesh was around. Lives in Audtria & Thailand most of the time.

Was involved in a very very serious accident in Thailand 16 to 18 months back. Almost fatal, but is well now.

We will back to designing now.

Lots of new things are cooking @ Cadence currently. Sorry, cannot discuss them here. My apology.

Getting back to 'Shanti'
He is truly a 'free thinker' & an 'inspired' person. Great Designer too. Should be given a 'free' hand & then what ever he comes up with would surely make for very very interesting hearing [like his Canasya Power Amplifier].
The Canasya was a 'open project'

Bhagwan

Way to go, Steve!
And plz do post a detailed record of your review so that we all can enjoy the session,albeit secondhand.
Jochen, I heartily second Sanjays' proposal..How about it?

bhagwan....

someone had mentioned his work on the vhs head long ago but I didnt take it quite seriously then.....now that you mention it again...hmmmm!

Manek.

My knowledge on this is Not too great, but from what I recall, Phillips was NOT one of the companies supporting VHS.

Philips had infact proposed a competing format, different from Both - VHS & Sony's Betamax....

if i remember right it was sony betamax vs jvc VHS and phillips vcc [I think]. while betmax gained notoriety, phillips format just sank in spite of being technically much moe superior

Kamal schrieb:

Way to go, Steve! And plz do post a detailed record of your review so that we all can enjoy the session,albeit secondhand. Jochen, I heartily second Sanjays' proposal..How about it?

Hi Sanjay and Kamal

I have informed Cadence already that there is a great demand for a showroom or atleast a demo in Delhi. I don't know if they have made any decision about it.

Jochen

Arj schrieb:

if i remember right it was sony betamax vs jvc VHS and phillips vcc [I think]. while betmax gained notoriety, phillips format just sank in spite of being technically much moe superior

Wasn't it the Video 2000 system he was involved in? A system which was far superior than VHS and even Betamax, but never really took off?

Jochen

there you go.. some info on video2000 also called vcc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_2000

yes arj.....thats they way i remember it too....thats why I initially didnt pay much attention to the vhs bit....

Cadence !

Delhi waits.....

Add another supporter for Cadence in Delhi.

goolimangala schrieb:

Kamal schrieb: Way How about it? Hi Sanjay and Kamal I have informed Cadence already that there is a great demand for a showroom or atleast a demo in Delhi. I don't know if they have made any decision about it. Jochen

Cadence actually did have a show room in ND many many years back.
Shivraj was the main person that was looking after it.

A lot of Cadence & Forsell gear was sold on ND way back then.

That showroom was shut 3 to 4 years back.

Shivraj now designs Tube Amplifiers in ND & Cadence has no presence in ND. Maybe they [Cadence] shall take the initiative & open a 'company store' there [ND] & one in Bombay too !!!! [Manek - please do make the suggestion to the guys @ Cadence]..........
I like to go to Pune to 'hear' the cadence gear, but then that is a 'planned' option. I much rather have a Saturday afternoon spent here in Bombay doing some listening.....

BHAGWAN

bhagwan69 schrieb:

I like to go to Pune to 'hear' the cadence gear, but then that is a 'planned' option.

I would like to do the same! What say we PLAN something?

bhagwan...have told em a dozen times !
its upto them to do something about it.

manek.

I did chat with Shivraj some years back but never really got around to visiting the listening room bec on 2 occasions the prog did not materialise since Shivraj was out doing demos at the prospects place;sad, it wld have been nice to hear the full set up.
Can't figure out why Cadence is not doing anything(seemingly) to reestablish a presence in delhi-which is a bit more than a village!
Kamal

Shivraj used to work with the Sound of Music earlier and had Cadence tube amps for display. Have not seen any Cadence speakers with any dealer in Delhi in the last 4 years ever since hifi got me interested.
Last I heard was that he was trying to sell DIY kits from Corrson to make speakers.

Can't figure out why Cadence is not doing anything(seemingly) to reestablish a presence in delhi-which is a bit more than a village!

I find they are too slow in establishing their networks anywhere in India (except Pune).

Even in Banagalore, after Prithvi left the dealership, they took almost 2-3 years to bring it back here. That too because of our gentleman Jochen who had good terms with Cadence and proposed to have a listening room otherwise it might have taken few more years. What the heck !!!

In places like Chennai, Hyderabad, Delhi, Kolkatta...I think they would take another decade to come over.

i would like to think they know what they aer doing. a dealership is expensive business and the only way to earn a margin is either by pumping up the cost or having large volume sales.
since the latter is more of a fantasy in india the former might be the only viable option and hence unless the city does have enough prospective buyers it does not make sense to put one !

It really would be inteersting to know the audiophile market ad amp_nut had also once mentioned in a post to understand what would be the business case for such a dealership !

Dear Arj,
Representing a brand in a city doesnt necessarily mean independent dealership/showrooms. Most dealers in India deal in multiple brands. Just like Prithvi used to deal in Cadence + few other brands, similarly they can try and have their presence through certain dealers who already have the infrasturcture and capacity to represent hifi (basically who are already into hifi dealership).

i would like to think they know what they aer dong

Even I would like to think that way. But I would also like to go a step further and analyse why they are doing so.
To me it looks like Cadence is extremely picky about the market they want to represent themselves in, if they dont smell good volumes of sales they are least bothered to even show their presence there. Though they manufacture in India, they dont expect a lot of sales here, so they might be more interested in representing themselves abroad than in India. So much so that they are not even accessible in the capital of India....I find that a bit ridiculous.

Abhi,
I dont understand....why is non-represeantion of a product in the capital city ridiculous ?

People market their products in places they get and find buyers, locally/abroad/capital city or small town. Being picky or not is their call and nothing wrong in being picky becuase the product is "niche". Being in business or not with dealers selling half a dozen other brands is their call again, maybe they have burnt their fingers with such setups, who knows ?

For eg. I strongly believe that a no audio demo is better than a bad audio demo or a biased audio demo. Maybe they subscribe to that thought as well ?
And I have seen been to a lot of demos where dealers actually try and show a product in their room in a bad light only to try and sell another they carry, probably higher profit margins at play ?

IMHO.

Manek.

Buddy Manek,
I said capital city, but my intention is to point out that they are not available in most of the MAJOR cities in India. Apart from Pune, its only Bangalore that I know one can listen and buy Cadence. That is what I find strange.

Yes it is true that they have to market their products where they find buyers...for that matter we find many good brands available in India, thats because there are buyers.
But Cadence being a Indian brand and still being one of the most inaccessible products is something I am unable to get in terms with.
I remember Bhagwan saying that even Mumbai doesnt have a listening room or even a dealer. I dont know how acceptable is this. All I can think of is Cadence must be having its own reasons...whether acceptable or not doesnt really matter

Cadence must be having its own reasons...whether acceptable or not doesnt really matter

My point exactly...

Manek.

yep...but that question mark still remains.

They actually had a listening room in Kolkata around late 90's.

abhi.pani schrieb:

I remember Bhagwan saying that even Mumbai doesnt have a listening room or even a dealer. I dont know how acceptable is this. :.

After the company's show room @ Colaba shut down [more than 6 years back] Cadence has no presence in Bombay. Jacob was doing it for a while [entry level products] but he too is lost in the wilderness, forget Cadence.

Cadence SHOULD open a store in Bombay.
Keeps its products on ACTIVE demo.
Canasya Power Amplifiers + ARCA [Mark 3 or 4 or what ever] + Siltech Cables [It is not co-owned by Cadence] etc.

If a company such as Sonodyne can open a show room in a mall in Bombay, Cadence surely can & must.
If you do not show what you have & what you make, you will never sell your product to its full potential.

Cadence does not even take part in Audio Shows [They were not present in New Delhi & Mumbai]

Finally I did hear the Arca + Canasya at Jochen's place
Looks like I am among the few fortunate Indians to listen to Cadence top of the line creation..

I heard them many a times in Pune.

In Bombay 2 of my friends have the Arca & Canasya.
But they are in different set ups.

ARCA is with electronics from GamuT
Canasya is with Manger 103/3

So I have not heard them together in Bombay as yet ! Actually, I did but it was not optimised. So cannot count.

Hi Bhagwan,
Which is the 103/3 model. I can see only 103 zerobox model on the site.
http://www.manger-audio.co.uk/manger-speakers-109.htm
How much do these sell for in India ?
103 and 109 zerobox models......

http://www.manger-audio.co.uk/manger-speakers.htm

Manger has many models;

The top of the line is the 103.

The 103 comes in 3 variants.

A] 02 woofer + 01 MSW
B] 02 Woofers + 03 MSW
C] 02 Woofers [Active] + 03 MSW

What I heard was option [B].
Nice speaker. Has a list price of 11/- K Euro, I think.
Is sold in India officially. vdH distributor does Manger too. You may ask them [innovative audio] for prices.
2nd hand 109 is for sale with a friend of mine - 1.75 asking price I think. PM me for details.
Nice Speakers - beautiful mid-band.

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ARCA is with electronics from GamuT
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Sir,

I believe this combination is virtually magical when it comes to soundstaging and image!

Thanks for the info Bhagwan…….

You should hear it;

Next time you come down town, do let me know. I will take you for an audition.

It will be my pleasure.

Sounds good. Nice for classical music. sound stage is really very wide. Even the weight of the orchestra is well balanced.

square_wave schrieb:

Thanks for the info Bhagwan……. :)

Pleasure - anytime